From marianopeck at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 04:09:50 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:09:50 -0300
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
Message-ID: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,
 I have a menu with images as background and the first and the last ones are
different from the others (the one that are between them).

See for example this:
http://www.templatesbox.com/premium-templates/website-templates/template213.htm

"About us" and "Contacts" are different from "adventure guide", "tours
review" and "bike news".

How can I specify different classes for them ?

this is my css:

I have something like this in my css:


.menu ul {
    margin: 0;
    margin-top: 0em;
    padding-bottom: 0em;
    list-style-type: none;
}


.menu ul li {
    float: left;
    display: inline;
    margin: 0px;
    margin-right: 0px;
    list-style-type: none;
    background-image: url(menutemplate0.gif);
    border: 0px;
    width: 170px;
    height: 40px;
    text-align: center;
    align: center;
    vertical-align: middle
     line-height: 40px;
}
.menu li a {
    align: center;
    padding-left: 30px;
}


Thanks in advance,

Mariano
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From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:12:57 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:12:57 +0200
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>

> "About us" and "Contacts" are different from "adventure guide", "tours
> review" and "bike news".
>
> How can I specify different classes for them ?

If you use the menu widget, you could specify the menu as such:

- *about|class=first*
- *adventure*
- *events*
- *contacts|class=last*

However, this adds the class to the link. In general it is not
possible to add additional classes to widgets without creating your
own subclass.

A common and rather simple trick of CSS designers is to define
different background image on '.menu', '.menu ul', '.menu ul li' that
overlap each other to get the desired effect.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 22:14:23 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:14:23 -0100
Subject: Pier - Advanced Search
In-Reply-To: <E445B749-F73A-4925-BE6E-88A65EEB5E2F@mac.com>
References: <65F330CB-65CD-4E0E-B100-35CA910DC67D@mac.com>
	<67628d690902140134t71ccf152ub4114120af914016@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0CB29BE-B349-4365-BE0D-457ED75912D9@mac.com>
	<E445B749-F73A-4925-BE6E-88A65EEB5E2F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904011314r514153fdo2a0f1e23ddfd5897@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM, John Borden <jborden23 at mac.com> wrote:

> All,
> Is anyone aware of an advanced search for pier, such as case sensitive,
> boolean (this phrase and/or/but-not that phrase), date related, etc?  If
> not, I'll start looking into adding it to the PRFullTextSearch class.
> Thanks,
> John
>

Yes. Please do!!!  This would be very useful for an application I am making
now. So, consider me as a beta tester if you want :)

Cheers,

Mariano


>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 00:28:18 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:28:18 -0300
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904011528l306cffd9od0e7b33fa1827bf7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > "About us" and "Contacts" are different from "adventure guide", "tours
> > review" and "bike news".
> >
> > How can I specify different classes for them ?
>
> If you use the menu widget, you could specify the menu as such:
>
> - *about|class=first*
> - *adventure*
> - *events*
> - *contacts|class=last*
>

It seems it doesn't work. The CSS class is ignored. I used Firebug and I see
just .menu ul li  for those divs.

I did this:

- */Rutas|class=zaraza*



>
> However, this adds the class to the link. In general it is not
> possible to add additional classes to widgets without creating your
> own subclass.


Sorry. I didn't understood that.


>
>
> A common and rather simple trick of CSS designers is to define
> different background image on '.menu', '.menu ul', '.menu ul li' that
> overlap each other to get the desired effect.
>

But this actually didn't solve my problem. Ok, I can define differents
background images but where I tell them each menu which background image or
css class to use ?


Thanks for the help.

Mariano


>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 01:18:57 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:18:57 +0100
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904011528l306cffd9od0e7b33fa1827bf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904011528l306cffd9od0e7b33fa1827bf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D3F661.6090908@yahoo.co.uk>


>
> But this actually didn't solve my problem. Ok, I can define differents
> background images but where I tell them each menu which background
> image or css class to use ?
>
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mariano
For widgets you can og course simply embed them in a div

<div class="someclass">+widget+<div>

Keith


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 01:27:07 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:27:07 -0300
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
In-Reply-To: <49D3F661.6090908@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904011528l306cffd9od0e7b33fa1827bf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D3F661.6090908@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904011627k138c13cek903fc129ab4bec70@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

>
> >
> > But this actually didn't solve my problem. Ok, I can define differents
> > background images but where I tell them each menu which background
> > image or css class to use ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Mariano
> For widgets you can og course simply embed them in a div
>
> <div class="someclass">+widget+<div>


I am using PRMenuWidget, with this:

- *Inicio>/*
- *Quienes Somos>/Quienes somos*
- *Contactenos>/Contactenos*
- *Lugares y Destinos>/LugaresDestino*
- *Se parte>/Se Parte*
- */Rutas|class=first*


How can I do that there ?

thanks

mariano



>
>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 01:42:34 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:42:34 +0100
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904011627k138c13cek903fc129ab4bec70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904011528l306cffd9od0e7b33fa1827bf7@mail.gmail.com>	<49D3F661.6090908@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904011627k138c13cek903fc129ab4bec70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D3FBEA.6050702@yahoo.co.uk>


>
> I am using PRMenuWidget, with this:
>
> - *Inicio>/*
> - *Quienes Somos>/Quienes somos*
> - *Contactenos>/Contactenos*
> - *Lugares y Destinos>/LugaresDestino*
> - *Se parte>/Se Parte*
> - */Rutas|class=first*
>
>
> How can I do that there ?
>

- */Info/Where To Buy*
- <div class="hmm">*/Info/FAQ*</div

Keith



From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Apr  2 01:43:49 2009
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:43:49 +0200
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904011627k138c13cek903fc129ab4bec70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904011528l306cffd9od0e7b33fa1827bf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D3F661.6090908@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904011627k138c13cek903fc129ab4bec70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <034C1626-D410-4DF3-93E5-949F60D16795@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi,

If the class first specified as -*/Rutas|class=first* does not appear  
in html, you probably have an older Pier image. In 1.1.1 the code  
should work.

Anyway, if that does not work, you can also write the followings:
- <div class="first">*/Rutas*</div>

This must work.

Cheers,
Doru


On 2 Apr 2009, at 01:27, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Keith Hodges  
> <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > But this actually didn't solve my problem. Ok, I can define  
> differents
> > background images but where I tell them each menu which background
> > image or css class to use ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Mariano
> For widgets you can og course simply embed them in a div
>
> <div class="someclass">+widget+<div>
>
> I am using PRMenuWidget, with this:
>
> - *Inicio>/*
> - *Quienes Somos>/Quienes somos*
> - *Contactenos>/Contactenos*
> - *Lugares y Destinos>/LugaresDestino*
> - *Se parte>/Se Parte*
> - */Rutas|class=first*
>
>
> How can I do that there ?
>
> thanks
>
> mariano
>
>
>
>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Presenting is storytelling."


From cdrick65 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 17:18:13 2009
From: cdrick65 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q8OpZHJpY2sgQsOpbGVy?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:18:13 +0200
Subject: Pier - Advanced Search
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904011314r514153fdo2a0f1e23ddfd5897@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65F330CB-65CD-4E0E-B100-35CA910DC67D@mac.com>
	<67628d690902140134t71ccf152ub4114120af914016@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0CB29BE-B349-4365-BE0D-457ED75912D9@mac.com>
	<E445B749-F73A-4925-BE6E-88A65EEB5E2F@mac.com>
	<a38fadc50904011314r514153fdo2a0f1e23ddfd5897@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a49ceb00904020818u167d5aacrd6a61bc905ef65b4@mail.gmail.com>

I just had a quick look...

It seems they refer to an inst var "creation" in PRStructure... Does
such a var existed before ?

Thanks

2009/4/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com>:
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM, John Borden <jborden23 at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>> Is anyone aware of an advanced search for pier, such as case sensitive,
>> boolean (this phrase and/or/but-not that phrase), date related, etc? ?If
>> not, I'll start looking into adding it to the PRFullTextSearch class.
>> Thanks,
>> John
>
> Yes. Please do!!!? This would be very useful for an application I am making
> now. So, consider me as a beta tester if you want :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mariano
>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
C?drick


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 03:06:18 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:06:18 -0300
Subject: Question with different pictures in menu
In-Reply-To: <034C1626-D410-4DF3-93E5-949F60D16795@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <a38fadc50903311909i1e88d23fv21cd8b84df8e887d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904010012y3454e64ev5cf57488053aeee0@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904011528l306cffd9od0e7b33fa1827bf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D3F661.6090908@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904011627k138c13cek903fc129ab4bec70@mail.gmail.com>
	<034C1626-D410-4DF3-93E5-949F60D16795@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904021806r64eb7eb9rf5f7f211a5924977@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If the class first specified as -*/Rutas|class=first* does not appear in
> html, you probably have an older Pier image. In 1.1.1 the code should work.
>

No. It doesn't appear in html. I am using last 1.1.1 from Universe.


>
> Anyway, if that does not work, you can also write the followings:
> - <div class="first">*/Rutas*</div>


> This must work.
>

Yes. This actually works :)  Thanks!!!

Mariano


>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On 2 Apr 2009, at 01:27, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > But this actually didn't solve my problem. Ok, I can define differents
>> > background images but where I tell them each menu which background
>> > image or css class to use ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for the help.
>> >
>> > Mariano
>> For widgets you can og course simply embed them in a div
>>
>> <div class="someclass">+widget+<div>
>>
>> I am using PRMenuWidget, with this:
>>
>> - *Inicio>/*
>> - *Quienes Somos>/Quienes somos*
>> - *Contactenos>/Contactenos*
>> - *Lugares y Destinos>/LugaresDestino*
>> - *Se parte>/Se Parte*
>> - */Rutas|class=first*
>>
>>
>> How can I do that there ?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> mariano
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Presenting is storytelling."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 23:14:48 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:14:48 +0100
Subject: isEditable
Message-ID: <49D67C48.8090506@yahoo.co.uk>

I discover that it is possible to add #isEditable to a PRWidget, so that
the setting will appear in the Edit  rather than the settings page. A
nice bug I think.

However, isEditable's are not currently ignored from the
settingsDescription.

Keith


From renggli at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 23:57:17 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:57:17 +0200
Subject: isEditable
In-Reply-To: <49D67C48.8090506@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49D67C48.8090506@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67628d690904031457m638b07ffn290c2db9e8b10d6b@mail.gmail.com>

There is #isEditable and #isSetting. If both answer true, the same
property appears in the edit and the settings command. Obviously.

The separation is made so that editors are able to edit the contents
without giving them the permission to change other things like the
design.

Lukas


On 4/3/09, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I discover that it is possible to add #isEditable to a PRWidget, so that
> the setting will appear in the Edit  rather than the settings page. A
> nice bug I think.
>
> However, isEditable's are not currently ignored from the
> settingsDescription.
>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>


-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 00:33:49 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:33:49 -0300
Subject: Question with PRMenuWidget
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904051533i25b64849y9acaded310c6111b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody,

I have a question with PRMenuWidget. I have a menu where I have background
images for each menu item and the name of the link is inside the image. For
example, I have a home.gif where that picture has the background image with
the "HOME" written inside.

If I do this (in settings):

- *Contact us>/Contact us*

PRMenuWidget puts me in menu ul li the name ("contact us) and there is the
href. However, what I want is:

- Don't show any text in menu ul li
- The href I want it for the whole menu ul li (the whole div) not only the
text. I mean, I want that the user can click all over the menu background
image.

Now, the question is, can I do this with PRMenuWidget ? If true, how ? If
not, what should I do ? make my own menu seaside component ?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Mariano
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From p3anoman at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 01:24:36 2009
From: p3anoman at gmail.com (John McKeon)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:24:36 -0400
Subject: Question with PRMenuWidget
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904051533i25b64849y9acaded310c6111b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904051533i25b64849y9acaded310c6111b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40f637ec0904051624ua7ab575v28ac5b2cd2631060@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> I have a question with PRMenuWidget. I have a menu where I have background
> images for each menu item and the name of the link is inside the image. For
> example, I have a home.gif where that picture has the background image with
> the "HOME" written inside.
>
> If I do this (in settings):
>
> - *Contact us>/Contact us*
>
> PRMenuWidget puts me in menu ul li the name ("contact us) and there is the
> href. However, what I want is:
>
> - Don't show any text in menu ul li


Use a reference to the image in the link so it would be
- *+homeImage+>/*
- *+contactImage+>/contact* then make the references point to the desired
image. You'll probably need to fiddle with the css in this case too.


>
> - The href I want it for the whole menu ul li (the whole div) not only the
> text. I mean, I want that the user can click all over the menu background
> image.
>

For this effect I make the menu a table as in:  | *Home>/* | *Contact
Us>/contact* | etc ), with the same fancy background image for each cell.
Then, in the CSS I use .menu td a { width:100%; padding-left: 3em;
padding-right: 3em; } where the amount of padding will vary depending on how
may menu items you have. CSS is one of my weak points so I usually have to
fiddle with padding and margins to make everything "fit" nicely, and I
usually make the left or right border solid 1px to get the visual
separation. I have no idea if this is the best way to do it.

Hope this helps
John


>
> Now, the question is, can I do this with PRMenuWidget ? If true, how ? If
> not, what should I do ? make my own menu seaside component ?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> Mariano
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 04:14:59 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:14:59 -0300
Subject: Question with PRMenuWidget
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM, John McKeon <p3anoman at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
> marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I have a question with PRMenuWidget. I have a menu where I have background
>> images for each menu item and the name of the link is inside the image. For
>> example, I have a home.gif where that picture has the background image with
>> the "HOME" written inside.
>>
>> If I do this (in settings):
>>
>> - *Contact us>/Contact us*
>>
>> PRMenuWidget puts me in menu ul li the name ("contact us) and there is the
>> href. However, what I want is:
>>
>> - Don't show any text in menu ul li
>
>
> Use a reference to the image in the link so it would be
> - *+homeImage+>/*
> - *+contactImage+>/contact* then make the references point to the desired
> image. You'll probably need to fiddle with the css in this case too.
>
>

John, first of all, thanks for the help :)

Ok, this is a good solution, but I still have some problems:

- I don't want to have my css images in Pier, but in library.
- I have 2 images per menu item: the unslected one and the selected one
(hoover). I need to set this trought CSS.
- I think I need to set width for each menu item


>
>
>> - The href I want it for the whole menu ul li (the whole div) not only the
>> text. I mean, I want that the user can click all over the menu background
>> image.
>>
>
> For this effect I make the menu a table as in:  | *Home>/* | *Contact
> Us>/contact* | etc ), with the same fancy background image for each cell.
> Then, in the CSS I use .menu td a { width:100%; padding-left: 3em;
> padding-right: 3em; } where the amount of padding will vary depending on how
> may menu items you have. CSS is one of my weak points so I usually have to
> fiddle with padding and margins to make everything "fit" nicely, and I
> usually make the left or right border solid 1px to get the visual
> separation. I have no idea if this is the best way to do it.
>

John, I didn't understood. I need to have different background images for
each menu item. Does that help me?

Sorry, but I am very nowbie with CSS (and also with pier and seaside haha).

Thanks


>
> Hope this helps
> John
>
>
>>
>> Now, the question is, can I do this with PRMenuWidget ? If true, how ? If
>> not, what should I do ? make my own menu seaside component ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the help.
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 07:32:24 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 06:32:24 +0100
Subject: problem with imges in latest
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Not sure if it is just me but I had to add to get images to render at all.

PRViewRenderer - visitFile: aStructure
   
    html image
        altText: aStructure title;
        url: (aStructure file urlFor: html context)


Keith


From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 07:45:06 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:45:06 +0200
Subject: problem with imges in latest
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> Not sure if it is just me but I had to add to get images to render at all.

We fixed that on saturday.

Lukas

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> PRViewRenderer - visitFile: aStructure
>
> ? ?html image
> ? ? ? ?altText: aStructure title;
> ? ? ? ?url: (aStructure file urlFor: html context)
>
>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 13:08:16 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:08:16 +0100
Subject: problem with imges in latest
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Message-ID: <49D9E2A0.3000209@yahoo.co.uk>

Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> Not sure if it is just me but I had to add to get images to render at all.
>>     
>
> We fixed that on saturday.
>
> Lukas
>
>   
I loaded latest of everything on Monday am

Keith



From p3anoman at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 14:23:23 2009
From: p3anoman at gmail.com (John McKeon)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:23:23 -0400
Subject: Question with PRMenuWidget
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904051914i25f556f8y6094a28d29bf3deb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904051533i25b64849y9acaded310c6111b@mail.gmail.com>
	<40f637ec0904051624ua7ab575v28ac5b2cd2631060@mail.gmail.com>
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Mariano,

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> John, first of all, thanks for the help :)
>

No problem. Just let me know if I am being a hinderance =)


>
>
> Ok, this is a good solution, but I still have some problems:
>
> - I don't want to have my css images in Pier, but in library.
> - I have 2 images per menu item: the unslected one and the selected one
> (hoover). I need to set this trought CSS.
> - I think I need to set width for each menu item
>

Yes your constraints are numerous lol


>>> - The href I want it for the whole menu ul li (the whole div) not only
>>> the text. I mean, I want that the user can click all over the menu
>>> background image.
>>>
>>
>> For this effect I make the menu a table as in:  | *Home>/* | *Contact
>> Us>/contact* | etc ), with the same fancy background image for each cell.
>> Then, in the CSS I use .menu td a { width:100%; padding-left: 3em;
>> padding-right: 3em; } where the amount of padding will vary depending on how
>> may menu items you have. CSS is one of my weak points so I usually have to
>> fiddle with padding and margins to make everything "fit" nicely, and I
>> usually make the left or right border solid 1px to get the visual
>> separation. I have no idea if this is the best way to do it.
>>
>
> John, I didn't understood. I need to have different background images for
> each menu item. Does that help me?
>
> Sorry, but I am very nowbie with CSS (and also with pier and seaside haha).
>

I have accomplished ALMOST all of this using this css in the file library (I
have yet to get the image url syntax working from the pier css file).

.menu td a { background: url(mnuJpg); }
.menu td a:hover { background: url(mnuAJpg); }  notice the colon NOT period
.menu td a.active { background: url(mnuBJpg); }

Yours would be a little more complicated because (I believe) you are using a
different css class for each menu item(?).
BTW, to get rid of the link text put a space: * >/aPage*

After playing with this last night it I realize that a table is not really
necessary, it can be accomplished with a ul as well.

Best of luck
John


>
> Thanks
>
>
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> John
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Now, the question is, can I do this with PRMenuWidget ? If true, how ? If
>>> not, what should I do ? make my own menu seaside component ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the help.
>>>
>>> Mariano
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 14:24:39 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:24:39 +0100
Subject: PRDocuments
Message-ID: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>

I am still struggling to work PRDocuments.... I have a layout, I put a
PRDocument in it...

and the code....

document
    ^ self documentOf: self context structure

returns the structure of the PRDocument....

surely it should be

    ^ self documentOf: (PRCurrentContext value structure)

Keith



From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 15:08:35 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:08:35 +0200
Subject: PRDocuments
In-Reply-To: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>
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> document
> ? ?^ self documentOf: self context structure
>
> returns the structure of the PRDocument....
>
> surely it should be
>
> ? ?^ self documentOf: (PRCurrentContext value structure)

That should be exactly the same.

Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 16:23:40 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:23:40 -0100
Subject: PRDocuments
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > document
> >    ^ self documentOf: self context structure
> >
> > returns the structure of the PRDocument....
> >
> > surely it should be
> >
> >    ^ self documentOf: (PRCurrentContext value structure)
>
> That should be exactly the same.


Sorry, but what are "documents" in Pier ?


>
>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
>
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From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 16:31:35 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:31:35 +0200
Subject: PRDocuments
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I think Keith is talking about the document widget, the source code he
shows is implemented in PRDocumentWidget part of the Pier-Documents
package. This widget, when added to the environment, provides the
possibility to have different wiki editors at different places on a
single page. This is useful if you for example  want to have a sidebar
with links or additional information.

The PRDocument hierarchy is an part of Pier-Model. It provides an
abstract model of the wiki text and can be traversed to a page as
HTML, Wiki, Plain Text, LaTeX, etc. Normally a Ppage has just one
document, however the PRDocumentWidget allows you to define multiple
documents on a single page.

Lukas

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
<marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > document
>> > ? ?^ self documentOf: self context structure
>> >
>> > returns the structure of the PRDocument....
>> >
>> > surely it should be
>> >
>> > ? ?^ self documentOf: (PRCurrentContext value structure)
>>
>> That should be exactly the same.
>
> Sorry, but what are "documents" in Pier ?
>
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 16:37:03 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:37:03 -0100
Subject: PRDocuments
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904060731k70cb5ff3t60a017b90fed233f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think Keith is talking about the document widget, the source code he
> shows is implemented in PRDocumentWidget part of the Pier-Documents
> package. This widget, when added to the environment, provides the
> possibility to have different wiki editors at different places on a
> single page. This is useful if you for example  want to have a sidebar
> with links or additional information.
>
> The PRDocument hierarchy is an part of Pier-Model. It provides an
> abstract model of the wiki text and can be traversed to a page as
> HTML, Wiki, Plain Text, LaTeX, etc. Normally a Ppage has just one
> document, however the PRDocumentWidget allows you to define multiple
> documents on a single page.
>

Excellent explanation!!! I was thinking in another thing. Perhaps it is a
good idea to add this to "Glossary of
terms<http://www.piercms.com/doc/glossary?_s=PWBfIb6x9ESTyqM2&_k=Surgbgz4&_n&17>"
of Pier Documentation.

Thanks a lot.

Mariano



>
> Lukas
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
> <marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > document
> >> >    ^ self documentOf: self context structure
> >> >
> >> > returns the structure of the PRDocument....
> >> >
> >> > surely it should be
> >> >
> >> >    ^ self documentOf: (PRCurrentContext value structure)
> >>
> >> That should be exactly the same.
> >
> > Sorry, but what are "documents" in Pier ?
> >
> >>
> >> Lukas
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lukas Renggli
> >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 17:25:36 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:25:36 +0200
Subject: PRDocuments
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> Excellent explanation!!! I was thinking in another thing. Perhaps it is a
> good idea to add this to "Glossary of terms" of Pier Documentation.

Excellent idea. I've added it.

Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 17:26:48 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:26:48 -0100
Subject: PRDocuments
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Excellent explanation!!! I was thinking in another thing. Perhaps it is a
> > good idea to add this to "Glossary of terms" of Pier Documentation.
>
> Excellent idea. I've added it.
>

nice :)


>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 17:38:13 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:38:13 +0100
Subject: PRDocuments
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904060608l1722a25btdccc03d6edd37cc3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <49DA21E5.7010003@yahoo.co.uk>

Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> document
>>    ^ self documentOf: self context structure
>>
>> returns the structure of the PRDocument....
>>
>> surely it should be
>>
>>    ^ self documentOf: (PRCurrentContext value structure)
>>     
>
> That should be exactly the same.
>
> Lukas
>   
*not quite, it inherits

**PRWidget-#context
    ^ context ifNil: [ context := super context ]*


Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 17:40:04 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:40:04 +0100
Subject: New menu links
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904060826w74574b6qf96cfeb3f364ee48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>	<67628d690904060608l1722a25btdccc03d6edd37cc3@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060723s11dee954q678dc514238079ab@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904060731k70cb5ff3t60a017b90fed233f@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060737x32759643tb3068cb4da3ef8bc@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904060825l58c2710dvaba9247663a59b66@mail.gmail.com>
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I saw a comment about PRMenuWidget being deprecated in favour of

+page|menu+

Are there any further instructions? Is it supposed to be *page|menu* ?

Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 17:50:11 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:50:11 +0100
Subject: New menu links
In-Reply-To: <49DA2254.9090703@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>	<67628d690904060608l1722a25btdccc03d6edd37cc3@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060723s11dee954q678dc514238079ab@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904060731k70cb5ff3t60a017b90fed233f@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060737x32759643tb3068cb4da3ef8bc@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904060825l58c2710dvaba9247663a59b66@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060826w74574b6qf96cfeb3f364ee48@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DA2254.9090703@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49DA24B3.6080107@yahoo.co.uk>

Keith Hodges wrote:
> I saw a comment about PRMenuWidget being deprecated in favour of
>
> +page|menu+
>
> Are there any further instructions? Is it supposed to be *page|menu* ?
>
> Keith
>   
I misunderstood, I thought that you put |menu on the links, but it goes
on the place you embed the entire page

Keith


From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Mon Apr  6 18:51:03 2009
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:51:03 +0200
Subject: New menu links
In-Reply-To: <49DA24B3.6080107@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>	<67628d690904060608l1722a25btdccc03d6edd37cc3@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060723s11dee954q678dc514238079ab@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904060731k70cb5ff3t60a017b90fed233f@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060737x32759643tb3068cb4da3ef8bc@mail.gmail.com>	<67628d690904060825l58c2710dvaba9247663a59b66@mail.gmail.com>	<a38fadc50904060826w74574b6qf96cfeb3f364ee48@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DA2254.9090703@yahoo.co.uk> <49DA24B3.6080107@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B23F4EF6-2198-452D-870C-E4B7B3372EE8@iam.unibe.ch>

I am not sure if a misunderstanding is still there, so I will throw in  
my two cents of explanations.

Basically PRMenuWidget behaves like a normal page only that it has  
this special highlighting. So, now instead of requiring a special page  
for this, we allow any page to behave like a menu through the extra "| 
menu" parameter.

Cheers,
Doru


On 6 Apr 2009, at 17:50, Keith Hodges wrote:

> Keith Hodges wrote:
>> I saw a comment about PRMenuWidget being deprecated in favour of
>>
>> +page|menu+
>>
>> Are there any further instructions? Is it supposed to be *page| 
>> menu* ?
>>
>> Keith
>>
> I misunderstood, I thought that you put |menu on the links, but it  
> goes
> on the place you embed the entire page
>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them."




From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 19:00:33 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:00:33 +0200
Subject: PRDocuments
In-Reply-To: <49DA21E5.7010003@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904060608l1722a25btdccc03d6edd37cc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DA21E5.7010003@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67628d690904061000o3cb82ef6o1e319c8858907012@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>> document
>>> ? ?^ self documentOf: self context structure
>>>
>>> returns the structure of the PRDocument....
>>>
>>> surely it should be
>>>
>>> ? ?^ self documentOf: (PRCurrentContext value structure)
>>>
>>
>> That should be exactly the same.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
> *not quite, it inherits
>
> **PRWidget-#context
> ? ?^ context ifNil: [ context := super context ]*

Normally that cache should be updated through #onChangeContext: by
PRPierFrame>>#update, but of course if there is something wrong in the
#children chain of the PRDocumentWidget then this might not happen. Is
your PRDocumentWidget directly part of the environment, or do you have
something more complicated?

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 20:05:40 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:05:40 +0100
Subject: PRDocuments
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904061000o3cb82ef6o1e319c8858907012@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D9F487.7080207@yahoo.co.uk>	<67628d690904060608l1722a25btdccc03d6edd37cc3@mail.gmail.com>	<49DA21E5.7010003@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904061000o3cb82ef6o1e319c8858907012@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49DA4474.7010305@yahoo.co.uk>


>> *not quite, it inherits
>>
>> **PRWidget-#context
>>    ^ context ifNil: [ context := super context ]*
>>     
>
> Normally that cache should be updated through #onChangeContext: by
> PRPierFrame>>#update, but of course if there is something wrong in the
> #children chain of the PRDocumentWidget then this might not happen. Is
> your PRDocumentWidget directly part of the environment, or do you have
> something more complicated?
>   
I do, but I dont think it would effect the children.
> Lukas
>   
Lukas, thanks for your help and insight...

It's behaving itself now.

Lots has changed, so I am not sure how to put my finger on what exactly
it was that fixed it.

Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 20:17:07 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:17:07 +0100
Subject: +page|loggedout+
Message-ID: <49DA4723.5090001@yahoo.co.uk>

There is nothing in the permissions system which allows a page to be
displayed only for logged out (not logged in) users.


How about +page|loggedout++page|loggedin+ or similar?

Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 20:29:08 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:29:08 +0100
Subject: withinContent
Message-ID: <49DA49F4.4000305@yahoo.co.uk>

I have a subclass of PRMenuWidget which renders, however it now renders
with paragraphs, where it did not before.

Previously components were rendered by the PEViewRenderer which
maintains "withinContent", however now components are rendered by
"PREmbeddedRenderer" and have no knowledge of "withinContent"

is this a bug? Or is my menu widget abusing the new way of doing things?

Keith


From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 20:32:41 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:32:41 +0200
Subject: +page|loggedout+
In-Reply-To: <49DA4723.5090001@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49DA4723.5090001@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67628d690904061132ob318a6t737fb01dda5601e4@mail.gmail.com>

> How about +page|loggedout++page|loggedin+ or similar?

An embedded page is ignored, if the user is not allowed to see it
through the permissions.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 20:39:51 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:39:51 +0100
Subject: +page|loggedout+
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904061132ob318a6t737fb01dda5601e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DA4723.5090001@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904061132ob318a6t737fb01dda5601e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49DA4C77.2070808@yahoo.co.uk>

Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> How about +page|loggedout++page|loggedin+ or similar?
>>     
>
> An embedded page is ignored, if the user is not allowed to see it
> through the permissions.
>
> Lukas
>   
But there is no way to set the permissions so that:

"other" can see it, and everyone else can not see it. - i.e. logged out
users only. I use this for the link to the  "ForgotPassword component"

Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 20:40:42 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:40:42 +0100
Subject: withinContent
In-Reply-To: <49DA49F4.4000305@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49DA49F4.4000305@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49DA4CAA.8030800@yahoo.co.uk>

Keith Hodges wrote:
> I have a subclass of PRMenuWidget which renders, however it now renders
> with paragraphs, where it did not before.
>
> Previously components were rendered by the PEViewRenderer which
> maintains "withinContent", however now components are rendered by
> "PREmbeddedRenderer" and have no knowledge of "withinContent"
>
> is this a bug? Or is my menu widget abusing the new way of doing things?
>
> Keith
>   
When the PRMenuRenderer is invoked it assumes its own withinContent is
true, it could ask the current context's renderer.

Keith


From rbb at techgame.net  Mon Apr  6 20:52:09 2009
From: rbb at techgame.net (brian)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:52:09 -0600
Subject: [Ann] ??????
References: <49CC48D5.4000002@yahoo.co.uk> <49CFDA1F.4050609@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C98BDDF6-52B2-4915-9532-09281A1F6053@iam.unibe.ch>
	<49D0024D.5050605@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5AD55E9D-20E1-4EE2-967B-D9DC0FF73386@techgame.net>

On Mar 29, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:

> st?phane ducasse wrote:
>> Beach :)
> Bagsee "Beach" then!
>
> It had to happen sooner or later. Someone had to come up with a  
> seaside
> product call Beach.
>
> Keith
>
> ---
> "When you go to the seaside, the beach is really what you want to  
> see".

"It's hard to enjoy the Seaside without standing on the Beach"

>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki




From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Apr  7 00:03:52 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:03:52 +0100
Subject: Alternative approach for rendering page headers
Message-ID: <49DA7C48.70602@yahoo.co.uk>

I have always found this to be a bit of a weakness of pier's.


Name: Beach-Pier-kph.5
Author: kph
Time: 6 April 2009, 11:02 pm
UUID: 554b045a-54d7-47e0-9f21-b94b06e381ac
Ancestors: Beach-Pier-kph.4

Finally the ViewRenderer (or custom subclass) can have complete control
over the display of the content AND the header

PRContentsWidget is knobbled so as to not display the header.

PRViewRenderer     now displays the "title", for standard Pages, or the
more interesting PRPageWithHeader.
           
PageWithHeader - Uses the above to render a "header document" *for more
interesting headers)

Hooks for providing custom subclasses of all renderers


From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 00:45:42 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:45:42 +0200
Subject: withinContent
In-Reply-To: <49DA4CAA.8030800@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49DA49F4.4000305@yahoo.co.uk> <49DA4CAA.8030800@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67628d690904061545y3c345c22teac90b604c65eeb@mail.gmail.com>

I fixed it in the latest commit. Althogh unlikely to happen, the new
version also properly detects recursion.

Lukas

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Keith Hodges wrote:
>> I have a subclass of PRMenuWidget which renders, however it now renders
>> with paragraphs, where it did not before.
>>
>> Previously components were rendered by the PEViewRenderer which
>> maintains "withinContent", however now components are rendered by
>> "PREmbeddedRenderer" and have no knowledge of "withinContent"
>>
>> is this a bug? Or is my menu widget abusing the new way of doing things?
>>
>> Keith
>>
> When the PRMenuRenderer is invoked it assumes its own withinContent is
> true, it could ask the current context's renderer.
>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 00:50:59 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:50:59 +0200
Subject: +page|loggedout+
In-Reply-To: <49DA4C77.2070808@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49DA4723.5090001@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904061132ob318a6t737fb01dda5601e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DA4C77.2070808@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67628d690904061550h38be2b9fw8f245fd416b4c081@mail.gmail.com>

> But there is no way to set the permissions so that:
>
> "other" can see it, and everyone else can not see it. - i.e. logged out
> users only. I use this for the link to the ?"ForgotPassword component"

Have a look at the Pier-Distribution (or the Pier One-Click image).
Doru uses a very cool trick there:

The login command is a separate widget that is always displayed, but
only lists the login command. Thus it will automatically disappear
after login and when the login command becomes invalid. The
authentication revealed as I wrote in the previous mail.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Apr  7 01:04:39 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:04:39 +0100
Subject: +page|loggedout+
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904061550h38be2b9fw8f245fd416b4c081@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DA4723.5090001@yahoo.co.uk>	<67628d690904061132ob318a6t737fb01dda5601e4@mail.gmail.com>	<49DA4C77.2070808@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904061550h38be2b9fw8f245fd416b4c081@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49DA8A87.6030904@yahoo.co.uk>

Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> But there is no way to set the permissions so that:
>>
>> "other" can see it, and everyone else can not see it. - i.e. logged out
>> users only. I use this for the link to the  "ForgotPassword component"
>>     
>
> Have a look at the Pier-Distribution (or the Pier One-Click image).
> Doru uses a very cool trick there:
>
> The login command is a separate widget that is always displayed, but
> only lists the login command. Thus it will automatically disappear
> after login and when the login command becomes invalid. The
> authentication revealed as I wrote in the previous mail.
>
> Lukas
>   
But I am not using commands for anything. I find writing a custom
command and managing permissions for every possible action to be too
difficult.

Instead when I embed a page with a component, if that seaside component
does an #answer: pier will go to the previous context just like a
command except that commands dont look as good as pages with content
images etc.

This means I can use any seaside component not just canBeRoot ones.

I added |loggedin |loggedout to my custom embedded renderer

Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Apr  7 02:28:52 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:28:52 +0100
Subject: Alternative approach for rendering page headers
In-Reply-To: <49DA7C48.70602@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49DA7C48.70602@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49DA9E44.6020906@yahoo.co.uk>

Keith Hodges wrote:
> I have always found this to be a bit of a weakness of pier's.
>
>
> Name: Beach-Pier-kph.5
> Author: kph
> Time: 6 April 2009, 11:02 pm
> UUID: 554b045a-54d7-47e0-9f21-b94b06e381ac
> Ancestors: Beach-Pier-kph.4
>
> Finally the ViewRenderer (or custom subclass) can have complete control
> over the display of the content AND the header
>
> PRContentsWidget is knobbled so as to not display the header.
>
> PRViewRenderer     now displays the "title", for standard Pages, or the
> more interesting PRPageWithHeader can override this behviour
>            
> PageWithHeader - Uses the above to render a "header document" *for more
> interesting headers)
>
> Hooks for providing custom subclasses of all renderer
At present in "latest" viewing (not embedding) structures like files and
components is broken.  The Pier-Beach implementation is looking like a
pretty good way of fixing this.

> ====
>
> Name: Beach-Pier-kph.6
> Author: kph
> Time: 6 April 2009, 11:58:10 pm
> UUID: be4afe0d-8f23-4b2b-b3b7-c7dfcff81ac7
> Ancestors: Beach-Pier-kph.5
>
> Double back structure rendering to the PREmbeddedRenderer since it
> knows how to render most things better than the PRViewRenderer anyway.
>
> Yay we have viewing of structures back at last.

But I think it can go further.

Having taken responsibility for rendering the header away from the
PRContentsWidget,  this gives much more flexibility. It does mean that
there is no-one to render the heading for Commands and other basic
components. 

So by shovelling the rendering of ALL components through the visitor
PRViewRenderer, rather than just PRDefaultView. This allows
PRViewRenderer to wrap Headings, (divs and anything else you want) on to
Commands, and any other seaside components.

This is really cool because it then means you can use non root seaside
components!!!! All you have to do is to add an #accept: method to the
component you want to use, and implement the specific invocation that
that component needs in PRViewRenderer (or your custom subclass).

So a custom PRViewRenderer or a subclass of PRPage/Structure can
implement their own header rendering, AND html rendering for any
Component, be-it widget, structure, or Seaside component.

The one thing that is missing is to be able to control things from the
environment (I dont use an environment myself). So perhaps
+contents|renderer=PRMyRenderer+ will suffice. I added
descriptionRenderer to PRContentsWidget.

I think this is looking really cool.... perhaps even worth a Pier 1.2!
Please take a look at it. The thought if having to maintain this as a
fork is a bit worrying.

The implementation is in 'Pier-Beach' -- the dependencies are documented
here:

Installer ss project:'Beach' install: 'Beach-Packages'.


Keith





From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  8 23:32:40 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:32:40 +0100
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker in
	the footer of the mailing list
Message-ID: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>

see subject

Keith


From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Thu Apr  9 07:00:16 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:00:16 -0700
Subject: setting up a blog?
Message-ID: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>

Ok, I'm not clear on how to setup a blog given the base pier  
installation from MC. There is an
add blog cmd in the command, then a number of blog components in the  
add component logic.

However I'm not quite sure what the steps are to put a blog into a new  
wiki are? Plus any changes
to the environment that are needed.

Right now if I add a blog, then add a blog archive I just get "no blog  
found"  since

findBlog
	^ self context structure parents reverse
		detect: [ :each | each isKindOf: PBBlog ]
		ifNone: [ nil ]

doesn't find the PBBlog

Obviously some structure/steps are required beyond the let's try this  
and see what happens.

--
= 
= 
= 
========================================================================
John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
= 
= 
= 
========================================================================




From damien.cassou at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 09:50:17 2009
From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:50:17 +0200
Subject: setting up a blog?
In-Reply-To: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6ac749c10904090050h28e9dc72y11cf13b6256935a4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, John M McIntosh
<johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote:
> Ok, I'm not clear on how to setup a blog given the base pier installation
> from MC. There is an
> add blog cmd in the command, then a number of blog components in the add
> component logic.
>
> However I'm not quite sure what the steps are to put a blog into a new wiki
> are? Plus any changes
> to the environment that are needed.
>
> Right now if I add a blog, then add a blog archive I just get "no blog
> found" ?since
>
> findBlog
> ? ? ? ?^ self context structure parents reverse
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?detect: [ :each | each isKindOf: PBBlog ]
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ifNone: [ nil ]
>
> doesn't find the PBBlog
>
> Obviously some structure/steps are required beyond the let's try this and
> see what happens.

You may want to download Pier-Setup and execute 'PRDistribution new
register'. That will erase default Pier kernel and replace with with a
new one, with a good-looking css some default pages and a blog. Here
is the list of packages I install in a new pharo-web image related to
Pier:

       instClass := Smalltalk at: #Installer.

	instClass lukas
		project: 'pier';
		answer:  'Would you like.*' with: true;
		answer:  '.*name of your Pier kernel.*' with: 'Pier';
		answer:  '.*entry point.*' with: 'pier';
		answer:  '.*port number.*' with: '8080';
		installQuietly: 'Pier-All';
		install: 'Pier-Squeak-Persistency'.

	instClass lukas
		project: 'pieraddons';
		install: 'Pier-Design';
		install: 'Pier-Documents';
		install: 'Pier-EditorEnh';
		install: 'Pier-Google';
		install: 'Pier-LightBox';
		answer:  '.*SlideShare.*' with: '';
		install: 'Pier-Links';
		install: 'Pier-Randomizer';
		install: 'Pier-Setup';
		install: 'Pier-SyntaxHighlighter';
		install: 'Pier-TagCloud';
		install: 'Pier-Titles';
		install: 'Pier-Twitter';
		install: 'Sitemap'.

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr  9 12:23:05 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:23:05 +0100
Subject: Image links
Message-ID: <49DDCC89.1080109@yahoo.co.uk>

With all the new recent pier features

Is there a simple way to do images that link to pier pages?

thanks in advance

Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr  9 12:26:35 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:26:35 +0100
Subject: [Ann] ??????
In-Reply-To: <5AD55E9D-20E1-4EE2-967B-D9DC0FF73386@techgame.net>
References: <49CC48D5.4000002@yahoo.co.uk>
	<49CFDA1F.4050609@yahoo.co.uk>	<C98BDDF6-52B2-4915-9532-09281A1F6053@iam.unibe.ch>	<49D0024D.5050605@yahoo.co.uk>
	<5AD55E9D-20E1-4EE2-967B-D9DC0FF73386@techgame.net>
Message-ID: <49DDCD5B.2080909@yahoo.co.uk>

brian wrote:
> On Mar 29, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:
>
>> st?phane ducasse wrote:
>>> Beach :)
>> Bagsee "Beach" then!
>>
>> It had to happen sooner or later. Someone had to come up with a seaside
>> product call Beach.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> ---
>> "When you go to the seaside, the beach is really what you want to see".
>
> "It's hard to enjoy the Seaside without standing on the Beach"
I like it.... and more like it

To enjoy the Seaside, hit the Beach.

Keith


From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 12:32:17 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:32:17 +0200
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker 
	in the footer of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think we really want a large link collection at the bottom of
every mail, do we?

   http://www.piercms.com/
   http://code.google.com/p/pier/
   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier/
   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons/

   http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/magritte/
   http://code.google.com/p/magritte-metamodel/
   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/magritte/
   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/magritteaddons/

I agree that the focus of the mailing list moved somehow over time.
The SmallWiki part essentially died (but it is hosted at
smallwiki at iam.unibe.ch). There is a some Magritte related discussion
from time to time, but not too much. Mostly the mailing list is Pier
related. Maybe we should split and move it to seaside.st? What do
other people think?

Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From cdrick65 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:05:32 2009
From: cdrick65 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q8OpZHJpY2sgQsOpbGVy?=)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:05:32 +0200
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker 
	in the footer of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a49ceb00904090405k4a2eeb20se2b9756e25fb4a87@mail.gmail.com>

I think it's a good idea...

And maybe all links you just gave can be put on a seaside.st page (+ a
quick explanation)  that can be added at the bottom this time
(http://www.seaside.st/community/mailinglist ?).

2009/4/9 Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com>:
> I don't think we really want a large link collection at the bottom of
> every mail, do we?
>
> ? http://www.piercms.com/
> ? http://code.google.com/p/pier/
> ? http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier/
> ? http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons/
>
> ? http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/magritte/
> ? http://code.google.com/p/magritte-metamodel/
> ? http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/magritte/
> ? http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/magritteaddons/
>
> I agree that the focus of the mailing list moved somehow over time.
> The SmallWiki part essentially died (but it is hosted at
> smallwiki at iam.unibe.ch). There is a some Magritte related discussion
> from time to time, but not too much. Mostly the mailing list is Pier
> related. Maybe we should split and move it to seaside.st? What do
> other people think?
>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
C?drick


From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:17:10 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:17:10 +0200
Subject: Image links
In-Reply-To: <49DDCC89.1080109@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49DDCC89.1080109@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67628d690904090417m51641434r1f35a5d1c7bd5e12@mail.gmail.com>

    *+link to image+>link to pier page*
> Is there a simple way to do images that link to pier pages?

Is that what you want?

You use an image +link to image+ and an alias to a page *linke to pier page*.

Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:18:18 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:18:18 +0200
Subject: Image links
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904090417m51641434r1f35a5d1c7bd5e12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DDCC89.1080109@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904090417m51641434r1f35a5d1c7bd5e12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904090418j1f46770al3904b0e79cf76ab2@mail.gmail.com>

> You use an image +link to image+ and an alias to a page *linke to pier page*.

Sorry, "and" should read as "as":

You use an embedded image +link to image+ as an alias to a page *linke
to pier page*.

Lukas

>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 23:21:40 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:21:40 -0300
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker 
	in the footer of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <a49ceb00904090405k4a2eeb20se2b9756e25fb4a87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00904090405k4a2eeb20se2b9756e25fb4a87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904091421u193513fnef86e21581e1959a@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't move Pier list to seaside list. I think they are ok rigth now.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:05 AM, C?drick B?ler <cdrick65 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it's a good idea...
>
> And maybe all links you just gave can be put on a seaside.st page (+ a
> quick explanation)  that can be added at the bottom this time
> (http://www.seaside.st/community/mailinglist ?).
>
> 2009/4/9 Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com>:
> > I don't think we really want a large link collection at the bottom of
> > every mail, do we?
> >
> >   http://www.piercms.com/
> >   http://code.google.com/p/pier/
> >   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier/
> >   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons/
> >
> >   http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/magritte/
> >   http://code.google.com/p/magritte-metamodel/
> >   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/magritte/
> >   http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/magritteaddons/
> >
> > I agree that the focus of the mailing list moved somehow over time.
> > The SmallWiki part essentially died (but it is hosted at
> > smallwiki at iam.unibe.ch). There is a some Magritte related discussion
> > from time to time, but not too much. Mostly the mailing list is Pier
> > related. Maybe we should split and move it to seaside.st? What do
> > other people think?
> >
> > Lukas
> >
> > --
> > Lukas Renggli
> > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> > _______________________________________________
> > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
> >
>
>
>
> --
> C?drick
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Fri Apr 10 01:26:42 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:26:42 -0700
Subject: WARenderCanvas>>rendererInstance
Message-ID: <4CE0815E-887C-4DD2-A110-D1BB46371D81@smalltalkconsulting.com>

I had tried to load the slide show Pier-Slideshow-lr.8
but I get the DNU, so where does rendererInstance come from?

MessageNotUnderstood: WARenderCanvas>>rendererInstance

? thisContext[] in PRSlideshow>>renderSlideOn: {[html rendererInstance  
continue: self current in: self on: html]}


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From p3anoman at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 01:58:52 2009
From: p3anoman at gmail.com (John McKeon)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:58:52 -0400
Subject: WARenderCanvas>>rendererInstance
In-Reply-To: <4CE0815E-887C-4DD2-A110-D1BB46371D81@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <4CE0815E-887C-4DD2-A110-D1BB46371D81@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <40f637ec0904091658x4730d0cbi15c1e36e55b7f68d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John
Looks you need to update the Pier-Seaside package.

Warm regards
John

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:26 PM, John M McIntosh <
johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote:

> I had tried to load the slide show Pier-Slideshow-lr.8
> but I get the DNU, so where does rendererInstance come from?
>
> MessageNotUnderstood: WARenderCanvas>>rendererInstance
>
> ? thisContext[] in PRSlideshow>>renderSlideOn: {[html rendererInstance
> continue: self current in: self on: html]}
>
>
> ===========================================================================
> John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
> ===========================================================================
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Fri Apr 10 02:59:28 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:59:28 -0700
Subject: WARenderCanvas>>rendererInstance
In-Reply-To: <40f637ec0904091658x4730d0cbi15c1e36e55b7f68d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CE0815E-887C-4DD2-A110-D1BB46371D81@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<40f637ec0904091658x4730d0cbi15c1e36e55b7f68d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47F10A52-4D31-44AE-AD36-3D85153D66CE@smalltalkconsulting.com>

Ah, yes, ok I did this, but seem to be missing

MAFileModel>>urlFor:

I can guess what that is.

However in looking at the Slideshow logic it appears to me that if add  
files as children of the slide show page then

slides
	"Answer the possible slides to display."

	^ slides ifNil: [ slides := self structure enumerator contents ]

That prevents their usage, because first time it's rendered we set  
slides to an #()

Ok well assuming I'll hack this a bit if I change it to

slides
	"Answer the possible slides to display."
	^slides := self structure enumerator contents

It does then behave more like I expect, showing the slide controls,  
and the fact I've two images as children of the slideshow page.

However the selection of the image in the control menu results in  
nothing.
I stick some halts in, but don't don't get any walkbacks.

renderControlSlideListOn: html
	| selectId |
	html select
		class: 'navg';
		list: self slides;
		selected: self current;
		id: (selectId := html nextId);
		callback: [ :value | self halt current: value ];
		labels: [ :value | (self slides indexOf: value) asString , '. ' ,  
value title ];
		onChange: (html updater
			id: ajaxId;
			triggerFormElement: selectId;
			callback: [ :r | self halt renderSlideshowOn: r ])

On 9-Apr-09, at 4:58 PM, John McKeon wrote:

> Hi John
> Looks you need to update the Pier-Seaside package.
>
> Warm regards
> John
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:26 PM, John M McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com 
> > wrote:
> I had tried to load the slide show Pier-Slideshow-lr.8
> but I get the DNU, so where does rendererInstance come from?
>
> MessageNotUnderstood: WARenderCanvas>>rendererInstance
>
> ? thisContext[] in PRSlideshow>>renderSlideOn: {[html  
> rendererInstance continue: self current in: self on: html]}

--
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Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
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From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Fri Apr 10 03:09:28 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:09:28 -0700
Subject: WARenderCanvas>>rendererInstance
In-Reply-To: <40f637ec0904091658x4730d0cbi15c1e36e55b7f68d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CE0815E-887C-4DD2-A110-D1BB46371D81@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<40f637ec0904091658x4730d0cbi15c1e36e55b7f68d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76F214B1-C209-41DF-ADB9-E5BCD32FC00F@smalltalkconsulting.com>

Oops must load SULibrary, otherwise no javascript controls

On 9-Apr-09, at 4:58 PM, John McKeon wrote:

> Hi John
> Looks you need to update the Pier-Seaside package.

--
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Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
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From damien.cassou at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 09:25:00 2009
From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:25:00 +0200
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker 
	in the footer of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904091421u193513fnef86e21581e1959a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a49ceb00904090405k4a2eeb20se2b9756e25fb4a87@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a38fadc50904091421u193513fnef86e21581e1959a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ac749c10904100025o245705c9lf16ed223a97f7abd@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
<marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't move Pier list to seaside list. I think they are ok rigth now.

I agree. I'm not subscribed to Seaside lilst because of the traffic.
However, I'm interested in Pier-related things because I have 3 Pier
websites.

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Fri Apr 10 11:01:02 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:01:02 -0700
Subject: setting up a blog?
In-Reply-To: <6ac749c10904090050h28e9dc72y11cf13b6256935a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<6ac749c10904090050h28e9dc72y11cf13b6256935a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <162CC011-F3B9-43E4-9C8A-F801A1064961@smalltalkconsulting.com>


On 9-Apr-09, at 12:50 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
> You may want to download Pier-Setup and execute 'PRDistribution new
> register'. That will erase default Pier kernel and replace with with a
> new one, with a good-looking css some default pages and a blog. Here
> is the list of packages I install in a new pharo-web image related to
> Pier:

Yes, but I want to do it via Add Components so I can fill out

http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Wiki_Add_Blog.html

Although I could supply a premade one via smalltalk objects creating  
the required objects, it
likely someone would like to do it manually from a browser.
--
= 
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Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
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From renggli at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 11:02:42 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:02:42 +0200
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker 
	in the footer of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <6ac749c10904100025o245705c9lf16ed223a97f7abd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00904090405k4a2eeb20se2b9756e25fb4a87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904091421u193513fnef86e21581e1959a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ac749c10904100025o245705c9lf16ed223a97f7abd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904100202s4e04099cqa050baffcae3883d@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe I was not clear enough. I was suggesting to get rid of
<smallwiki at iam.unibe.ch> as its name is sort of obsolete. And instead
create <magritte at seaside.st> and <pier at seaside.st>.

Lukas

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
> <marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wouldn't move Pier list to seaside list. I think they are ok rigth now.
>
> I agree. I'm not subscribed to Seaside lilst because of the traffic.
> However, I'm interested in Pier-related things because I have 3 Pier
> websites.
>
> --
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From damien.cassou at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 11:07:38 2009
From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:07:38 +0200
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker 
	in the footer of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904100202s4e04099cqa050baffcae3883d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a49ceb00904090405k4a2eeb20se2b9756e25fb4a87@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a38fadc50904091421u193513fnef86e21581e1959a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6ac749c10904100025o245705c9lf16ed223a97f7abd@mail.gmail.com> 
	<67628d690904100202s4e04099cqa050baffcae3883d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ac749c10904100207l6bffc613ob0bbb567c0555938@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe I was not clear enough. I was suggesting to get rid of
> <smallwiki at iam.unibe.ch> as its name is sort of obsolete. And instead
> create <magritte at seaside.st> and <pier at seaside.st>.

+1 too :-D

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

From dtrussardi at tiscali.it  Fri Apr 10 18:45:50 2009
From: dtrussardi at tiscali.it (Dario Trussardi)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:45:50 +0200
Subject: Validate submit timeout ?
Message-ID: <C6E7421A799F4393B431141A606FCE36@istcamuno>

Hi All,

when i  call: ((someDescription asComponentOn: aModel)   
                    addMessage: anString;
                    adValidateForm;
                    yourself 

somtime i have strange answer ( HTTP 500 )  when press the submit buttons.

I have do some test and i think :

        if someDescription size are big,
    
             the system after some timeout  answer error.

It's correct ?

How i can set it?
    
Or there is other consideration about the error ?

Thank

    Dario
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 20:12:34 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:12:34 -0300
Subject: Suggestion - perhaps add a link to piercms.com and the trackker 
	in the footer of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <6ac749c10904100207l6bffc613ob0bbb567c0555938@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49DD17F8.5060302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<67628d690904090332n18a8a6abn29b947f4927ab995@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00904090405k4a2eeb20se2b9756e25fb4a87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904091421u193513fnef86e21581e1959a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ac749c10904100025o245705c9lf16ed223a97f7abd@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904100202s4e04099cqa050baffcae3883d@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ac749c10904100207l6bffc613ob0bbb567c0555938@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904101112g1149f14cy2c0d1896defda146@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Maybe I was not clear enough. I was suggesting to get rid of
> > <smallwiki at iam.unibe.ch> as its name is sort of obsolete. And instead
> > create <magritte at seaside.st> and <pier at seaside.st>.
>
> +1 too :-D
>

Ahh now I get it.

+1 then.



>
> --
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From renggli at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 20:54:46 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:54:46 +0200
Subject: Validate submit timeout ?
In-Reply-To: <C6E7421A799F4393B431141A606FCE36@istcamuno>
References: <C6E7421A799F4393B431141A606FCE36@istcamuno>
Message-ID: <67628d690904101154g66bb86e6n79a6a24efd0c767b@mail.gmail.com>

> somtime i have strange answer ( HTTP 500 )? when press the submit buttons.

How does the body of this response look like? Is there some
information on what kind of internal error was thrown?

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Fri Apr 10 23:35:22 2009
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:35:22 +0200
Subject: setting up a blog?
In-Reply-To: <162CC011-F3B9-43E4-9C8A-F801A1064961@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<6ac749c10904090050h28e9dc72y11cf13b6256935a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<162CC011-F3B9-43E4-9C8A-F801A1064961@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <D85D6772-4039-4546-B87E-0EBAE93C4910@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi,

I added the followings to the faq:

How to setup a blog?
	? Invoke the Add command and select Blog from the dropdown menu.
	? To get the archive in the blog, add an Blog Archive component  
somewhere else, and embed it in the environment of the Blog
How to post to a blog?
	? Go to the blog
	? Invoke the Add command and select Post
	? Entry the content
	? If you want to publish it for everyone to see, enter the  
publication date (you can also click on the current button)


Does this help?

Cheers,
Doru


On 10 Apr 2009, at 11:01, John M McIntosh wrote:

>
> On 9-Apr-09, at 12:50 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
>> You may want to download Pier-Setup and execute 'PRDistribution new
>> register'. That will erase default Pier kernel and replace with  
>> with a
>> new one, with a good-looking css some default pages and a blog. Here
>> is the list of packages I install in a new pharo-web image related to
>> Pier:
>
> Yes, but I want to do it via Add Components so I can fill out
>
> http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Wiki_Add_Blog.html
>
> Although I could supply a premade one via smalltalk objects creating  
> the required objects, it
> likely someone would like to do it manually from a browser.
> --
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> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> ======================================================================
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> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http:// 
> www.smalltalkconsulting.com
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
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"Relationships are of two kinds: those we choose and those that  
happen. They both matter."






From dtrussardi at tiscali.it  Sat Apr 11 00:45:32 2009
From: dtrussardi at tiscali.it (Dario Trussardi)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:45:32 +0200
Subject: Validate submit timeout ?
References: <C6E7421A799F4393B431141A606FCE36@istcamuno>
	<67628d690904101154g66bb86e6n79a6a24efd0c767b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB01F10C7DB64D5784E28463B27CBFC2@istcamuno>

Lukas,

<    How does the body of this response look like? Is there some
>    information on what kind of internal error was thrown?

No the browser display a generic error.

I do some test but i found different conclusion.

In the test i display the same web page, based on some description.
I press the submit button when some description addCondition: are false.
And when pres / represe the submit button ( with no change on input data )
the answer change( sometime ok , somtime with error )

I have Squeak image " the server " on a notebook.

A) When i do web request from the notebook ( Internet Explorer 6.0 ) rarely
i have error : HTTP-500.

B) When i do request from an another PC in a local network  with Windows XP
and Internet Explorer 7.0 frequently i have error.
        The browser display a page with generic error : " Internet Explorer:
impossibile visualizzare la pagina -> i can't dispaly the page"

C) When i do request from anotehr PC in a local network with Ubuntu and
Firefox 3.0.8    sometimes i found the error:

       " Connection Interrupped
        The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

        The network link was interruped while negotiating a connection.
           please try again.  "


I hope you understand my indication.


    Dario


From renggli at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 09:49:12 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:49:12 +0200
Subject: Validate submit timeout ?
In-Reply-To: <BB01F10C7DB64D5784E28463B27CBFC2@istcamuno>
References: <C6E7421A799F4393B431141A606FCE36@istcamuno>
	<67628d690904101154g66bb86e6n79a6a24efd0c767b@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB01F10C7DB64D5784E28463B27CBFC2@istcamuno>
Message-ID: <67628d690904110049i7d8c8d78o40459594cabe21a@mail.gmail.com>

> < ? ?How does the body of this response look like? Is there some
>>
>> ? information on what kind of internal error was thrown?
>
> No the browser display a generic error.

Could you try locally with FireFox, because IE does sometimes not
display the original messages.

> C) When i do request from anotehr PC in a local network with Ubuntu and
> Firefox 3.0.8 ? ?sometimes i found the error:
>
> ? ? ?" Connection Interrupped
> ? ? ? The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
>
> ? ? ? The network link was interruped while negotiating a connection.
> ? ? ? ? ?please try again. ?"

I don't remember ever encountering such a message. What kind of image
are you using? Can you reproduce with some other web app that does not
use Magritte (it does not look to me like this has anything to do with
Magritte)?

Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From renggli at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 10:00:18 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:00:18 +0200
Subject: setting up a blog?
In-Reply-To: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904110100h3905fe98xa1caf482cb12b3af@mail.gmail.com>

> Right now if I add a blog, then add a blog archive I just get "no blog
> found" ?since
>
> findBlog
> ? ? ? ?^ self context structure parents reverse
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?detect: [ :each | each isKindOf: PBBlog ]
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ifNone: [ nil ]
>
> doesn't find the PBBlog

Right now all the blog related components (with the exception of the
block ticker), expect to be used within the context of a blog.
Otherwise they display the error message "no blog found".

I agree that this is not ideal in many cases, because it forces users
of a blog to create a new environment. Below you find a few possible
solutions, but none of them really convinces me:

- Blog related components could just hide when being displayed outside
of a blog. Maybe that's confusing too, if you add something and but
can't see it?

- Blog related components could expect you to specify a blog in their
settings. That would make everything very declarative, but would
prevent from reusing the templates on different blogs. However the
widgets could also be part of documents or displayed as a summary on
the home page. Maybe that solution isn't that bad after all?

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 21:16:05 2009
From: hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com (Hernan Wilkinson)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:16:05 -0300
Subject: lots of questions of a newbie :)
Message-ID: <a32740050904131216v4460f952hdf1108479776218@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mariano,
  why don't you use Pier on GLASS? you know... automatic persistence...
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 21:21:24 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:21:24 -0100
Subject: lots of questions of a newbie :)
In-Reply-To: <a32740050904131216v4460f952hdf1108479776218@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a32740050904131216v4460f952hdf1108479776218@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904131221g709fa9fm304e042dd8f0e4c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Hernan Wilkinson <
hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mariano,
>   why don't you use Pier on GLASS? you know... automatic persistence...



jajajaj. Vamos de a poco. Por ahora, quiero tener la base de la aplicacion
andando con Pier, Magritte y Seaside. Ya casi la tengo. (me falta muy poco).
Si la aplicaci?n va a salir a "producci?n"  de verdad, no me va a escalar la
persistencia imagen de squeak, por lo que voy a tener que poner Glass o
Pier-Magma. El problema es que no se si consigo hosting con Linux 64 y
zaraza como para tener GLASS gratarola.

Adem?s, si es tan groso como dice, Gemstone, deber?a poder ponerlo m?s
adelante no? ;)

gracias por cualquier data que me puedas aportar  :)

Mariano


>
> _______________________________________________
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 21:36:51 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:36:51 -0100
Subject: lots of questions of a newbie :)
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904131221g709fa9fm304e042dd8f0e4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a32740050904131216v4460f952hdf1108479776218@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904131221g709fa9fm304e042dd8f0e4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904131236tbe4cb6bq4ab64784f18d4a64@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry. This mail was not for the list.

2009/4/13 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com>

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Hernan Wilkinson <
> hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mariano,
>>   why don't you use Pier on GLASS? you know... automatic persistence...
>
>
>
> jajajaj. Vamos de a poco. Por ahora, quiero tener la base de la aplicacion
> andando con Pier, Magritte y Seaside. Ya casi la tengo. (me falta muy poco).
> Si la aplicaci?n va a salir a "producci?n"  de verdad, no me va a escalar la
> persistencia imagen de squeak, por lo que voy a tener que poner Glass o
> Pier-Magma. El problema es que no se si consigo hosting con Linux 64 y
> zaraza como para tener GLASS gratarola.
>
> Adem?s, si es tan groso como dice, Gemstone, deber?a poder ponerlo m?s
> adelante no? ;)
>
> gracias por cualquier data que me puedas aportar  :)
>
> Mariano
>
>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 03:08:30 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:08:30 -0300
Subject: Help with Menu and background images
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904131808x413ff938l2ab8a57ed1485afa@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I need to do something and I really don't know how to do it. I have a
PRMenuWidget and for each menu item I have a particular background image. In
those images  I have also the text. For example, in the aboutUs.gif there is
also the text "About Us". I want to put another background image for mouse
hover (actually it only changes the text color). This works well. The
problem is that I want to use this image not only with hover but also when
that menu item is selected. When I click on that menu item, I want to put
that image.

In html + javascript it should be something like this:

<td colspan="9"><a onmouseout="window.status=''; changeImages('about_us',
'images/about-us.gif'); return true;" onmouseover="window.status='about us';
changeImages('about_us', 'images/about-us-over.gif'); return true;" href="
about.html">
<img width="171" height="40" border="0" alt="about us" src="
images/about-us.gif" name="about_us"/>
</a>
</td>

any ideas of how can I do this trough pier/seaside ?

Thanks in advance,

Mariano
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 04:21:03 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:21:03 -0300
Subject: setting up a blog?
In-Reply-To: <D85D6772-4039-4546-B87E-0EBAE93C4910@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<6ac749c10904090050h28e9dc72y11cf13b6256935a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<162CC011-F3B9-43E4-9C8A-F801A1064961@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<D85D6772-4039-4546-B87E-0EBAE93C4910@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904131921i477784b5q53385baab17c71e8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I added the followings to the faq:
>
> How to setup a blog?
>        ? Invoke the Add command and select Blog from the dropdown menu.
>        ?




> To get the archive in the blog, add an Blog Archive component somewhere
> else, and embed it in the environment of the Blog
>

Doru, thanks for the help.

I didn't understand this point. I don't have Blog Archive component. I only
have PBPostArchive. However, I don't know how to embed it into the
enviorment of the blog. Add command in blog, only shows me "post".

Sorry for the newbies questions :)

Mariano




> How to post to a blog?
>        ? Go to the blog
>        ? Invoke the Add command and select Post
>        ? Entry the content
>        ? If you want to publish it for everyone to see, enter the
> publication date (you can also click on the current button)
>
>
> Does this help?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On 10 Apr 2009, at 11:01, John M McIntosh wrote:
>
>
>> On 9-Apr-09, at 12:50 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
>>
>>> You may want to download Pier-Setup and execute 'PRDistribution new
>>> register'. That will erase default Pier kernel and replace with with a
>>> new one, with a good-looking css some default pages and a blog. Here
>>> is the list of packages I install in a new pharo-web image related to
>>> Pier:
>>>
>>
>> Yes, but I want to do it via Add Components so I can fill out
>>
>> http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Wiki_Add_Blog.html
>>
>> Although I could supply a premade one via smalltalk objects creating the
>> required objects, it
>> likely someone would like to do it manually from a browser.
>> --
>>
>> ===========================================================================
>> John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
>>
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Relationships are of two kinds: those we choose and those that happen.
> They both matter."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 05:08:42 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:08:42 -0300
Subject: Problem with FileDoesNotExistException
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904132008g6fb9478ao4aba243e2c03d7c9@mail.gmail.com>

I am still learning with Pier and I probably did something wrong. I am now
trying to edit /mainenviorment. There I have this:

FileDoesNotExistException:
'/home/mariano/squeak/imagenes/destinoMochila/Pier-1-1-1.app/Contents/Resources/files/b2/g03r5h2xukw1wbdb5dfktkusjilyoc/unknown'

I remember to delete all
/home/mariano/squeak/imagenes/destinoMochila/Pier-1-1-1.app/Contents/Resources/files/
once because I move all my images from there (pier) to a particular library
(they were css pictures).

Any ideas of how can I fix this ?

Thanks!!

Mariano
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From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Tue Apr 14 05:42:23 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:42:23 -0700
Subject: Problem with FileDoesNotExistException
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904132008g6fb9478ao4aba243e2c03d7c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904132008g6fb9478ao4aba243e2c03d7c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5456E2A-FC64-4F37-B642-1527409BA768@smalltalkconsulting.com>

Well the Pier external file instances point to files in the /files  
directory. Since you moved the files then you get the file not found  
exception.

So either you can put the files back, if you have them?  Or construct  
a folder structure /b2/g03r5h2xukw1wbdb5dfktkusjilyoc  and stick an  
empty 'unknown' file in there
to get around this problem.   What is going on is that it's trying to  
read the 'uknown' file, which is a text file containing the environment


On 13-Apr-09, at 8:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> I am still learning with Pier and I probably did something wrong. I  
> am now trying to edit /mainenviorment. There I have this:
>
> FileDoesNotExistException: '/home/mariano/squeak/imagenes/ 
> destinoMochila/Pier-1-1-1.app/Contents/Resources/files/b2/ 
> g03r5h2xukw1wbdb5dfktkusjilyoc/unknown'
>
> I remember to delete all /home/mariano/squeak/imagenes/ 
> destinoMochila/Pier-1-1-1.app/Contents/Resources/files/ once because  
> I move all my images from there (pier) to a particular library (they  
> were css pictures).
>
> Any ideas of how can I fix this ?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Mariano
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
= 
= 
= 
========================================================================
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Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 05:52:03 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:52:03 -0300
Subject: Problem with FileDoesNotExistException
In-Reply-To: <D5456E2A-FC64-4F37-B642-1527409BA768@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <a38fadc50904132008g6fb9478ao4aba243e2c03d7c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5456E2A-FC64-4F37-B642-1527409BA768@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904132052p3eed1d41mb0f36d63c58b68ab@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:42 AM, John M McIntosh <
johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote:

> Well the Pier external file instances point to files in the /files
> directory. Since you moved the files then you get the file not found
> exception.
>
> So either you can put the files back, if you have them?  Or construct a
> folder structure /b2/g03r5h2xukw1wbdb5dfktkusjilyoc  and stick an empty
> 'unknown' file in there
> to get around this problem.   What is going on is that it's trying to read
> the 'uknown' file, which is a text file containing the environment
>
>
Your answer always so fast :)

This actually work men. I didn't have the file so I create the folder and
then the uknown file. There I put the structure and now it works perfect.

Thanks a lot.

Mariano


>
>
> On 13-Apr-09, at 8:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
>  I am still learning with Pier and I probably did something wrong. I am now
>> trying to edit /mainenviorment. There I have this:
>>
>> FileDoesNotExistException:
>> '/home/mariano/squeak/imagenes/destinoMochila/Pier-1-1-1.app/Contents/Resources/files/b2/g03r5h2xukw1wbdb5dfktkusjilyoc/unknown'
>>
>> I remember to delete all
>> /home/mariano/squeak/imagenes/destinoMochila/Pier-1-1-1.app/Contents/Resources/files/
>> once because I move all my images from there (pier) to a particular library
>> (they were css pictures).
>>
>> Any ideas of how can I fix this ?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
> ===========================================================================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
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From chaetal at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 07:31:59 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:31:59 +0400
Subject: How to label a binary file
Message-ID: <84f77e270904132231i72ef50a5ra1c7235299c4cf9a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I want to put several links to the same file differenly labeled. Say, I have
some page, and a file named 'file' added as a child. I want to put on it
something like

  You can download <this file> or do the same <that way>

where in <> is a link that after click on it immediately starts the download
(or opens browser dialog for it).

In Pier1.1.1

+file+ gives me the full name of file in the text.
+Label>file+ do the same.
*Another label>file* opens the page of the file.

Probably I miss something, but how can I do this using Pier's syntax?

TIA

-- 
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From chaetal at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 07:42:40 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:42:40 +0400
Subject: How to remove garbage from the files dir?
Message-ID: <84f77e270904132242of400a0cmdb0ef3f445bb8247@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any automatic (or *proper*) way?

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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 08:06:34 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:06:34 +0200
Subject: How to remove garbage from the files dir?
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904132242of400a0cmdb0ef3f445bb8247@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904132242of400a0cmdb0ef3f445bb8247@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904132306o7152e91fx18df72bd1fff1873@mail.gmail.com>

> Is there any automatic (or *proper*) way?

     MAExternalFileModel garbageCollect

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Tue Apr 14 08:07:02 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:07:02 -0700
Subject: How to remove garbage from the files dir?
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904132242of400a0cmdb0ef3f445bb8247@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904132242of400a0cmdb0ef3f445bb8247@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62FB04E7-C263-4649-A9BD-77ED531D1854@smalltalkconsulting.com>

See
  MAExternalFileModel>>garbageCollect

On 13-Apr-09, at 10:42 PM, Dennis Schetinin wrote:

> Is there any automatic (or *proper*) way?
>
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From chaetal at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 08:09:21 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:09:21 +0400
Subject: How to remove garbage from the files dir?
In-Reply-To: <62FB04E7-C263-4649-A9BD-77ED531D1854@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <84f77e270904132242of400a0cmdb0ef3f445bb8247@mail.gmail.com>
	<62FB04E7-C263-4649-A9BD-77ED531D1854@smalltalkconsulting.com>
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Thanks


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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 08:12:17 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:12:17 +0200
Subject: How to label a binary file
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904132231i72ef50a5ra1c7235299c4cf9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904132231i72ef50a5ra1c7235299c4cf9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904132312y4d5cb846r2f05617cfffb2e86@mail.gmail.com>

> +file+ gives me the full name of file in the text.
> +Label>file+ do the same.

That was a bug in 1.1.1. It works properly in never development versions.

If you want to go ahead and update to the latest version ...

- Update Magritte-Core, Magritte-Seaside, Pier-Core, Pier-Seaside to
the latest versions in that order.

- Then update all other Magritte and Pier test and addon packages to
the latest version.

Lukas

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From chaetal at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 08:15:42 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:15:42 +0400
Subject: How to label a binary file
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904132312y4d5cb846r2f05617cfffb2e86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904132231i72ef50a5ra1c7235299c4cf9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904132312y4d5cb846r2f05617cfffb2e86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84f77e270904132315o303d0277ydbf0f7f3e05d232b@mail.gmail.com>

>
> > +file+ gives me the full name of file in the text.
> > +Label>file+ do the same.
>
> That was a bug in 1.1.1. It works properly in never development versions.
>
> If you want to go ahead and update to the latest version ...
>
> - Update Magritte-Core, Magritte-Seaside, Pier-Core, Pier-Seaside to
> the latest versions in that order.
>
> - Then update all other Magritte and Pier test and addon packages to
> the latest version.
>

Thank you


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From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 10:11:28 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:11:28 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
Message-ID: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am using the latest Pharo based Pier one click image on debian
server, and I have set up Image persistency.

Problem is that backup images seem to be cumulating and eating my disk
space quite rapidly. As far as I have understood, there should be a
max of 3 backed images, while I have tens, and even hundreds of them.

I suspected that maybe it is the file rights issue, but everything
seems to be ok, (also if a process can create file, it usually can
also delete it).

Thanks in advance!

rush
http://www.cloud208.com/

From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 10:51:06 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:51:06 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>

The maximum number of images can be set in the configuration dialog in
"/systemmanagement/persistency", the default is 3.

To debug the deletion of old images you can debug the following expression:

    PRKernel instances anyOne persistency cleanupBackupImages

Cheers,
Lukas

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Davorin Rusevljan
<davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am using the latest Pharo based Pier one click image on debian
> server, and I have set up Image persistency.
>
> Problem is that backup images seem to be cumulating and eating my disk
> space quite rapidly. As far as I have understood, there should be a
> max of 3 backed images, while I have tens, and even hundreds of them.
>
> I suspected that maybe it is the file rights issue, but everything
> seems to be ok, (also if a process can create file, it usually can
> also delete it).
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> rush
> http://www.cloud208.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



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From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 12:58:23 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:58:23 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/14/09, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
> The maximum number of images can be set in the configuration dialog in
>  "/systemmanagement/persistency", the default is 3.

yes I have also that set to 3.

>  To debug the deletion of old images you can debug the following expression:
>
>     PRKernel instances anyOne persistency cleanupBackupImages

Interestingly, this also seems to be running fine when started alone,
it had cleaned all old files and kept only last 3. So something before
that (but after the image save) must be breaking persistency cycle.

Thanks!

rush
http://www.cloud208.com/

From p3anoman at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 15:57:51 2009
From: p3anoman at gmail.com (John McKeon)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:57:51 -0400
Subject: Help with Menu and background images
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904131808x413ff938l2ab8a57ed1485afa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904131808x413ff938l2ab8a57ed1485afa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40f637ec0904140657l27984e74g6e64b8ec0051f11e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mariano

I have used

   .menu li a.active { background: url(xxxJpg); }

But I have only gotten it to work using a WAFileLibrary setup in the
strictly seaside way.
John

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I need to do something and I really don't know how to do it. I have a
> PRMenuWidget and for each menu item I have a particular background image. In
> those images  I have also the text. For example, in the aboutUs.gif there is
> also the text "About Us". I want to put another background image for mouse
> hover (actually it only changes the text color). This works well. The
> problem is that I want to use this image not only with hover but also when
> that menu item is selected. When I click on that menu item, I want to put
> that image.
>
> In html + javascript it should be something like this:
>
> <td colspan="9"> <a onmouseout="window.status=''; changeImages('about_us',
> 'images/about-us.gif'); return true;" onmouseover="window.status='about
> us'; changeImages('about_us', 'images/about-us-over.gif'); return true;"
> href="about.html">
> <img width="171" height="40" border="0" alt="about us" src="
> images/about-us.gif" name="about_us"/>
> </a>
> </td>
>
> any ideas of how can I do this trough pier/seaside ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mariano
>
>
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 16:04:15 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:04:15 -0100
Subject: How to remove garbage from the files dir?
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904132309q4553660fn70b57f62200e0b40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904132242of400a0cmdb0ef3f445bb8247@mail.gmail.com>
	<62FB04E7-C263-4649-A9BD-77ED531D1854@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<84f77e270904132309q4553660fn70b57f62200e0b40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904140704x2bfde834m1ff854b092b26729@mail.gmail.com>

In Pier 1.1.1 one click image, you have a workspace with useful Pier
messages. Perhaps is useful to put this one also y the "cleanups" section.

Thanks,

Mariano

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks
>
>
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From felix.leipold at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 14 16:40:32 2009
From: felix.leipold at googlemail.com (Felix Leipold)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:40:32 +0100
Subject: Visualizing Validation Errors next to Components that cause them
Message-ID: <a73abe4e0904140740w636a0cf5wbf311ac4f0269e9d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

is there anyway to visualize errors next the components that caused them?
One solution I can think of is actually validating every single one of these
components, however it doesn't feel nice.

I am currently using a bespoke sublcass of MAToOneRelationDescription to
structure my form into different sections. It is cascading the validation to
all these embedded objects.

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Felix
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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 17:19:50 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:19:50 +0200
Subject: Visualizing Validation Errors next to Components that cause them
In-Reply-To: <a73abe4e0904140740w636a0cf5wbf311ac4f0269e9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a73abe4e0904140740w636a0cf5wbf311ac4f0269e9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904140819j716e9411tedd7cb99c6a525d7@mail.gmail.com>

> is there anyway to visualize errors next the components that caused them?

Sure. The default renderer MATableRenderer adds the class '.error' to
the element, so that you can highlight the validation errors using CSS
styles.

I assume that you also want to display the error message somewhere
close-by? In this case you have to implement your own renderer and
assign it to the container description (see the reference to
MATableRenderer).

Cheers,
Lukas

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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 17:30:26 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:30:26 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>

>> ?To debug the deletion of old images you can debug the following expression:
>>
>> ? ? PRKernel instances anyOne persistency cleanupBackupImages
>
> Interestingly, this also seems to be running fine when started alone,
> it had cleaned all old files and kept only last 3. So something before
> that (but after the image save) must be breaking persistency cycle.

I can't reproduce on my machine and on various servers.

What happens if you repeatedly evaluate the following expression?

    PRKernel instances anyOne persistency snapshot

This is the code that is executed whenever the image is saved. It
should create a backup copy of the current image, save the image under
the same name, and delete older images. Does that work for you if you
evaluate the expression repeatedly?

What version of Squeak and Pier are you working with?

Lukas

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From hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 19:37:34 2009
From: hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com (Hernan Wilkinson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:37:34 -0300
Subject: Questions about Magritte
Message-ID: <a32740050904141037u16a3ca84o2ac929e7e7fa23ea@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I been reading and using Magritte for a couple of days and it
is impressive how fast a web app can be written with it.
 We are planing to use it in the development of a major app, but I have some
concerns/questions that I would like to ask. Most of them are related with
the coupling it generates between the model and the view using the
descriptions. These are the questions:
(I wanted this mail to be short, but it turned out sort of long... sorry for
that...)

1) Has anybody defined the descriptions in other class but the model class?
It seems to me that defining the descriptions as class methods in the model
class creates a coupling between the model and the view that I would like to
avoid. Part of that coupling is because of some view's "attributes" like
label, priority, beSorted, readOnly, etc. It also couples the model with
Magritte, which avoids me to use the model in an environment without
Magritte.
I was looking around and it seems possible, but the method #asComponent
sends the message #description which finally creates the description
container with all the collected descriptions. I could have my own
implementation of #asComponent or have another object to do it, but I wanted
to know if somebody already did it.
(btw, why #description and not #magritteDescription? it keeps my model
objects from using the message #description for a business porpoise)

2) The description "descriptionCanton" of the tutorial, is another example
of why I want to decouple descriptions from the model class. In the tutorial
the cantons are hard coded in the method, but that is not possible in a
"real" app. Cantons should be taken from another object, lets say the
"Cantons" object. But if I keep the "descriptionCanton" in Address and use
"Cantons" from there, I will be coupling Address with Cantons, which will
prevent me from using Address in another context or with provinces or states
instead of cantons. Does anybody has a suggestion for doing this?

3) To keep the objects that are created, the tutorial suggests to use a
class variable, but that is an option that does not scale. For instance,
what happens if I want to host the same app several times with different
data? (we are planning to use GLASS) Using the tutorial classes, I would
like to have an instance of MAPersonManager for one of our customers,
another instance of MAPersonManager for other customer, and so on. Also,
using a class variable keeps us from writing tests for that class because
that variable is shared among all the objects (tests, the real app, etc). I
think this is more a SeaSide question...
Anyway, I would like to have something like this:
MAPersonManager for: self customer1  <-- this is one instance of person
manager for one customer
MAPersonManager for: self customer2 <--- this is the other...
Is it possible? how?

3) I see that Magritte always needs an object to edit it. I mean, an
instance of Address to edit an address, an instance of Person to edit a
person, and so on. That means that the system could have invalid instances
for some period of time. For example, a person without a last name is an
invalid instance of Person, but to be able to edit a Person Magritte needs
an instance of Person without a last name. Maybe some people will say "so
what? what is the problem?". Well there are some problems with doing it this
way, for example a programmer could write a program that reads people from
an archive and forgets to check that the last name can not be empty. You
could say that for writing that program the programmer should use Magritte's
description also, but why? what is the meaning of label, priority, etc. in
that case? But let's say the programmer uses Magritte's description to read
from the file, what will prevent him to create a Person with out a last name
from the workspace?
So, to avoid invalid instances we use a technique were valid instances are
created from the beginning. For the Person example of the tutorial, I would
have something like this:

Person class>>named: aFirstName and: aLastName ....

  self assertNotEmpty: aFirstName.
  self assertNotEmpty: aLastName.
  ....
  "Only if all the assertions are passed, the object is created"
  ^self new initilializeNamed: aFirstName and: aLastName ....

and if the object is not immutable, it will have a #syncronizeWith: message
that takes a valid instance and changes its instance variables. For the
person example:

Person>>syncronizeWith: aPerson

  firstName := aPerson firstName.
  lastName := aPerson lastName.
  .... "the same with all inst. var".

Doing so, the system ensure me that the person after being modified is valid
because "aPerson" has to be valid to exist as an object.
There are many advantages of doing this:
a) There is no problem when an object is valid depending on the value of
different instance variables because all the validations are done together
before creating the object. (Dates are an example of this case, it is not
enough to know its day number to see if it is valid, the month has to be
known also)
b) Only valid instances exist in the image, no matter how I create them,
from the UI, reading a file, using the workspace, etc.
c) New programmers can not make mistakes using the current objects. If they
create an object it has to be valid, if not, they will get a debugger.
d) Validations of the object are kept with the object, the validations are
part of the object's definition and they are not spread in different places.
(This is also different from Magritte, that suggests to define validations
in the descriptions)

Of course we could agree or not that this is a good technique, but it proved
to be good for me and the people I work with and I would like to continue
using it.
Does anybody imagine how to do it with Magritte? or is it completely against
its philosophy?

Well, these are the questions I have by now... sorry for the long mail.

Bye,
Hernan.
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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 20:42:53 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:42:53 +0200
Subject: Questions about Magritte
In-Reply-To: <a32740050904141037u16a3ca84o2ac929e7e7fa23ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a32740050904141037u16a3ca84o2ac929e7e7fa23ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904141142r7317a679n7cb74730716ee4f7@mail.gmail.com>

> 1) Has anybody defined the descriptions in other class but the model class?
> It seems to me that defining the descriptions as class methods in the model
> class creates a coupling between the model and the view that I would like to
> avoid. Part of that coupling is because of some view's "attributes" like
> label, priority, beSorted, readOnly, etc. It also couples the model with
> Magritte, which avoids me to use the model in an environment without
> Magritte.

Magritte is not the "View". Magritte is model as well, the meta-model.

If you would like to keep descriptions separate, that can be easily
done using extension methods. So one could imagine having the
descriptions in a separate package, other than the actual model.
Furthermore different other packages could modify these descriptions,
or add their own.

Foo class>>descriptionBar (in model package)
   ^ MAStringdescription new
         accessor: #bar;
         yourself

Foo class>>descrptionBarView: aDescription (adds the label in view package)
   ^ aDescription label: 'Bar'

Personally I keep the descriptions all in the model, unless there is a
good reason not to do so.

> I was looking around and it seems possible, but the method #asComponent
> sends the message #description which finally creates the description
> container with all the collected descriptions. I could have my own
> implementation of #asComponent or have another object to do it, but I wanted
> to know if somebody already did it.

You could override #description in your classes, or use
#asComponentOn: that can be used to use any description together with
any model to build a component.

> (btw, why #description and not #magritteDescription? it keeps my model
> objects from using the message #description for a business porpoise)

That concern comes up every couple of years. Probably it is because I
am not a native speaker and I never called one of my own business
properties #description. As you can see above, Magritte does not
depend on that name, if you do not like it you can use something else
with little additional code.

> 2) The description "descriptionCanton" of the tutorial, is another example
> of why I want to decouple descriptions from the model class. In the tutorial
> the cantons are hard coded in the method, but that is not possible in a
> "real" app. Cantons should be taken from another object, lets say the
> "Cantons" object. But if I keep the "descriptionCanton" in Address and use
> "Cantons" from there, I will be coupling Address with Cantons, which will
> prevent me from using Address in another context or with provinces or states
> instead of cantons. Does anybody has a suggestion for doing this?

See above and <http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/magritte/faq>.

> 3) To keep the objects that are created, the tutorial suggests to use a
> class variable, but that is an option that does not scale. For instance,
> what happens if I want to host the same app several times with different
> data? (we are planning to use GLASS) Using the tutorial classes, I would
> like to have an instance of MAPersonManager for one of our customers,
> another instance of MAPersonManager for other customer, and so on. Also,
> using a class variable keeps us from writing tests for that class because
> that variable is shared among all the objects (tests, the real app, etc). I
> think this is more a SeaSide question...

I would make the customers part of the model and store a
MACustomerManager in some "persistent root". Tests get their own
MACustomerManager instance.

> 3) I see that Magritte always needs an object to edit it. I mean, an
> instance of Address to edit an address, an instance of Person to edit a
> person, and so on.

No. Descriptions can always be used on any object, as long as the
object can handle them. MAMemento is such a power-object. It can
essentially handle any set of descriptions. It simply keeps a
dictionary from descriptions to their current values.

These mementos are used during edit operations. To Magritte a memento
object looks like the real object, but it can be edited and changed so
that it is temporarily in an invalid state without affecting the real
object and thus other concurrent users. Some memento subclasses can
even detect and merge conflicts. The real object is only changed when
all validation conditions are satisfied.

Keep the questions rolling.

Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 21:12:03 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:12:03 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45d84bd00904141212j71ecc85eo1faabaed75a2016f@mail.gmail.com>

>  This is the code that is executed whenever the image is saved. It
>  should create a backup copy of the current image, save the image under
>  the same name, and delete older images. Does that work for you if you
>  evaluate the expression repeatedly?

PRKernel instances anyOne persistency snapshot

raises error every time I run it, her is TOS:
-------
Stack Trace

thisContext
HttpService(Object)>>error:
self
seaside [stopped] port: 8080
aString
'a service is already running on port 8080'
-------------

before that it saves image ok, and pier image keeps responding to
requests afterwards.

I am using latest (1.1.1) pier one-click image based on pharo,
downloaded from www.piercms.org

Probable is my pier app config, that is triggering the problem, i have:

--------
Server

Resource Base Url		(unspecified)	
Server Hostname		clear	
Server Path		clear	
Server Port		revert to: 80	overriden from WAGlobalConfiguration
Server Protocol	#http	override	inherited from WAGlobalConfiguration
-------

notice the port:80, this is the port that nginx responds to, and
forwards requests to pier image at port:8080

rush
http://www.cloud208.com/

From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 21:40:47 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:40:47 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904141212j71ecc85eo1faabaed75a2016f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904141212j71ecc85eo1faabaed75a2016f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904141240r7c3c13b0k2dd7dadbeb756976@mail.gmail.com>

> before that it saves image ok, and pier image keeps responding to
> requests afterwards.

Aha, now I understand. You have multiple web-server adapters listening
on the same port. After the image is saved they restart and throw an
exception. Stop them all using:

   WAKom withAllSubclassesDo: #stop

And then start your favorite adapter using:

   WAKom startOn: 8080

That should solve the problem.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Tue Apr 14 21:42:13 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:42:13 -0700
Subject: 'Unable to fully display recursive composition.'
Message-ID: <34421B2A-B349-4CA7-AA41-B9AC11BBBF2F@smalltalkconsulting.com>

You know I get a lot of feedback that says:  "when i click  
Environment, I always get 'Unable to fully display recursive  
composition.'"

Er, maybe a different error message is needed? People seem really  
confused about the current one, also it's hard for them to understand  
what
Environment means...

Thoughts are welcome
--
= 
= 
= 
========================================================================
John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
= 
= 
= 
========================================================================


From hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 23:19:23 2009
From: hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com (Hernan Wilkinson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:19:23 -0300
Subject: Questions about Magritte
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904141142r7317a679n7cb74730716ee4f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a32740050904141037u16a3ca84o2ac929e7e7fa23ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904141142r7317a679n7cb74730716ee4f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a32740050904141419h57e3aacfyd79fa0a9a710b669@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lukas!

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > 1) Has anybody defined the descriptions in other class but the model
> class?
> > It seems to me that defining the descriptions as class methods in the
> model
> > class creates a coupling between the model and the view that I would like
> to
> > avoid. Part of that coupling is because of some view's "attributes" like
> > label, priority, beSorted, readOnly, etc. It also couples the model with
> > Magritte, which avoids me to use the model in an environment without
> > Magritte.
>
> Magritte is not the "View". Magritte is model as well, the meta-model.


I understand you point, but it is rare for me to see "label" and "priority"
in the descriptions that are use only to create the view (at least that is
what I saw so far...). That is what I meant by "coupling with the view".


>
>
> If you would like to keep descriptions separate, that can be easily
> done using extension methods. So one could imagine having the
> descriptions in a separate package, other than the actual model.
> Furthermore different other packages could modify these descriptions,
> or add their own.
>
> Foo class>>descriptionBar (in model package)
>   ^ MAStringdescription new
>         accessor: #bar;
>         yourself
>
> Foo class>>descrptionBarView: aDescription (adds the label in view package)
>   ^ aDescription label: 'Bar'
>
> Personally I keep the descriptions all in the model, unless there is a
> good reason not to do so.


That's a good idea. I don't like extensions too much but it sounds
reasonable for this case.
Anyway, I'm still thinking about using another object to have the
descriptions... I'll let you know how it worked out


>
> > 2) The description "descriptionCanton" of the tutorial, is another
> example
> > of why I want to decouple descriptions from the model class. In the
> tutorial
> > the cantons are hard coded in the method, but that is not possible in a
> > "real" app. Cantons should be taken from another object, lets say the
> > "Cantons" object. But if I keep the "descriptionCanton" in Address and
> use
> > "Cantons" from there, I will be coupling Address with Cantons, which will
> > prevent me from using Address in another context or with provinces or
> states
> > instead of cantons. Does anybody has a suggestion for doing this?
>
> See above and <http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/magritte/faq>.
>

But the block is still coupled with some implementation...
I was thinking about something more similar to a desktop app, where you
create the view and then you set the objects you want to show. For example:

   addressView := AddressView new.
   addressView cantons: self cantonsSubsystem contents.
   addressView open.



> > 3) To keep the objects that are created, the tutorial suggests to use a
> > class variable, but that is an option that does not scale. For instance,
> > what happens if I want to host the same app several times with different
> > data? (we are planning to use GLASS) Using the tutorial classes, I would
> > like to have an instance of MAPersonManager for one of our customers,
> > another instance of MAPersonManager for other customer, and so on. Also,
> > using a class variable keeps us from writing tests for that class because
> > that variable is shared among all the objects (tests, the real app, etc).
> I
> > think this is more a SeaSide question...
>
> I would make the customers part of the model and store a
> MACustomerManager in some "persistent root". Tests get their own
> MACustomerManager instance.


 I agree, but I don't see how to access the right customer manager from the
seaside component...


>
> > 3) I see that Magritte always needs an object to edit it. I mean, an
> > instance of Address to edit an address, an instance of Person to edit a
> > person, and so on.
>
> No. Descriptions can always be used on any object, as long as the
> object can handle them. MAMemento is such a power-object. It can
> essentially handle any set of descriptions. It simply keeps a
> dictionary from descriptions to their current values.
>

yes, I saw that, it is great!


>
> These mementos are used during edit operations. To Magritte a memento
> object looks like the real object, but it can be edited and changed so
> that it is temporarily in an invalid state without affecting the real
> object and thus other concurrent users. Some memento subclasses can
> even detect and merge conflicts. The real object is only changed when
> all validation conditions are satisfied.
>

yes, but if I want to validate the object creation and use the
#syncronizeWith: idea I have to do something more I guess...
We need also to keep the changes that are made to an object, so directly
changing the object will not do it...


> Keep the questions rolling.


Thanks for the answer!

Bye,
Hernan

>
>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
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From hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 23:21:20 2009
From: hernan.wilkinson at gmail.com (Hernan Wilkinson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:21:20 -0300
Subject: 'Unable to fully display recursive composition.'
In-Reply-To: <34421B2A-B349-4CA7-AA41-B9AC11BBBF2F@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <34421B2A-B349-4CA7-AA41-B9AC11BBBF2F@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <a32740050904141421q16494d05lf8a6e6deaaf48157@mail.gmail.com>

I completely agree. I don't have a suggestion but I'm one of the people you
are talking about :-)

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM, John M McIntosh <
johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote:

> You know I get a lot of feedback that says:  "when i click Environment, I
> always get 'Unable to fully display recursive composition.'"
>
> Er, maybe a different error message is needed? People seem really confused
> about the current one, also it's hard for them to understand what
> Environment means...
>
> Thoughts are welcome
> --
> ===========================================================================
> John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
> ===========================================================================
>
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From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 00:29:16 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:29:16 +0200
Subject: 'Unable to fully display recursive composition.'
In-Reply-To: <a32740050904141421q16494d05lf8a6e6deaaf48157@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34421B2A-B349-4CA7-AA41-B9AC11BBBF2F@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<a32740050904141421q16494d05lf8a6e6deaaf48157@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904141529h621e03cdjf1b7a0d35cad57e7@mail.gmail.com>

> I completely agree. I don't have a suggestion but I'm one of the people you
> are talking about :-)

Early versions of Pier used to display one recursive nesting level and
then a link. People were confused about this behavior, thus I replaced
it with that paragraph. If anybody has a great idea to improve the
situation, I am happy to integrate it.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 01:12:01 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:12:01 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904141240r7c3c13b0k2dd7dadbeb756976@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, here is what I get. (I am doing this through Halo inspector web
interface)

WAKom withAllSubclassesDo: #stop .  WAKomEncoded startOn: 8080 .
-- runs fine.

TcpService services (click on inspect buton)
-- nice only one Seside running service returned on port 8080.

PRKernel instances anyOne persistency snapshot
-- bangs with exception stack described few messages above.

TcpService services
-- not nice, now has 2 Seaside services on port 8080 one of them stoped.

thanks!

rush
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From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 08:27:49 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:27:49 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904141612y49c22231ie81ebbe4cc0e1230@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904141212j71ecc85eo1faabaed75a2016f@mail.gmail.com>
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	<45d84bd00904141612y49c22231ie81ebbe4cc0e1230@mail.gmail.com>
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> -- bangs with exception stack described few messages above.
> TcpService services

Did you try stopping "TcpService services" as well?

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:39:37 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:39:37 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904142327v4fe8afc1j193f8bc6b76498f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904141212j71ecc85eo1faabaed75a2016f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904141240r7c3c13b0k2dd7dadbeb756976@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904141612y49c22231ie81ebbe4cc0e1230@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904142327v4fe8afc1j193f8bc6b76498f1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > -- bangs with exception stack described few messages above.
> > TcpService services
>
> Did you try stopping "TcpService services" as well?
>

ok, now I have tried:

WAKom withAllSubclassesDo: #stop . TcpService services do: [:s | s stop].
WAKomEncoded startOn: 8080 .
-- ok, only one service left running on port 8080

PRKernel instances anyOne persistency snapshot
-- again same exception, also has 2 services on port 8080, one stoped other
running.

So I think snapshot is somehow generating more than one service for port
8080.

Also here is the Cloud208.sh script used to start pier if that migh give you
some clue:
-----------------
#!/bin/sh

dir="/ebs/cloud208/Pier"
EXE="$dir/Contents/Linux686"
RES="$dir/Contents/Resources"

case "$1" in
        start)
                nohup su -c "$EXE/squeak -plugins $EXE -vm-display-null
-vm-soun
d-null -mmap 100m $RES/pier.image '' port 8080" squeak &
                echo $! > $dir/pid
                ;;
        stop)
                kill `cat $dir/pid`
        ;;
        *)
                exit 3
        ;;
esac
-----------------

thanks!

rush
http://www.cloud208.com/
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From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 12:00:56 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:00:56 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904150239y69703e20u7c46e66ebc68352e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140151y56f3e55dxfa5d70916761ec24@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140830q7d779f5al41af4be528ce432b@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904141212j71ecc85eo1faabaed75a2016f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904141240r7c3c13b0k2dd7dadbeb756976@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904141612y49c22231ie81ebbe4cc0e1230@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904142327v4fe8afc1j193f8bc6b76498f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904150239y69703e20u7c46e66ebc68352e@mail.gmail.com>
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> d-null -mmap 100m $RES/pier.image '' port 8080" squeak &
> ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?echo $! > $dir/pid
> ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?;;

Looks like you should remove the "port 8080" thing.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 12:19:48 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:19:48 +0200
Subject: Image files cumulating
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904150300h4d1196a0i533c0d12952c3764@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45d84bd00904140111o168c6911kf0b4625576628ff1@mail.gmail.com>
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	<45d84bd00904140358j712b9a30w3ebf76182be3befa@mail.gmail.com>
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	<45d84bd00904141612y49c22231ie81ebbe4cc0e1230@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904142327v4fe8afc1j193f8bc6b76498f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904150239y69703e20u7c46e66ebc68352e@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904150300h4d1196a0i533c0d12952c3764@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45d84bd00904150319m14506af3q8567ecfb4a5c4565@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > d-null -mmap 100m $RES/pier.image '' port 8080" squeak &
> >                 echo $! > $dir/pid
> >                 ;;
>
> Looks like you should remove the "port 8080" thing.
>
> Lukas
>

yes, that was that. many thanks, and sorry for the trouble!

rush
http://www.cloud208.com/
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From felix.leipold at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 15 16:33:23 2009
From: felix.leipold at googlemail.com (Felix Leipold)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:33:23 +0100
Subject: Visualizing Validation Errors next to Components that cause them
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904140819j716e9411tedd7cb99c6a525d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a73abe4e0904140740w636a0cf5wbf311ac4f0269e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140819j716e9411tedd7cb99c6a525d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a73abe4e0904150733o5e0f2b64q148d9450ffc511c6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lukas,

unfortunately the whole case is a bit more difficult because I am using
nested components. The situation is visulised in this screenshot:
http://wuetender-junger-mann.de/screenshot-nested-components.png

The trouble is, that the embedded components don't have access to the
errors, as the outer component starts calling into the descriptors and
inside the validation logic there is no reference to the embedded
components, so the errors can't be added to those.

I am a bit lost. Should I perhaps abandon the idea of flattening multiple
objects into a single form?

Cheers,
Felix


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > is there anyway to visualize errors next the components that caused them?
>
> Sure. The default renderer MATableRenderer adds the class '.error' to
> the element, so that you can highlight the validation errors using CSS
> styles.
>
> I assume that you also want to display the error message somewhere
> close-by? In this case you have to implement your own renderer and
> assign it to the container description (see the reference to
> MATableRenderer).
>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 16:46:23 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:46:23 +0200
Subject: Visualizing Validation Errors next to Components that cause them
In-Reply-To: <a73abe4e0904150733o5e0f2b64q148d9450ffc511c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a73abe4e0904140740w636a0cf5wbf311ac4f0269e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904140819j716e9411tedd7cb99c6a525d7@mail.gmail.com>
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> I am a bit lost. Should I perhaps abandon the idea of flattening multiple
> objects into a single form?

Personally I've never really used the internal editors.

What I usually do in such situations is to build individual components
(without buttons and validation) for the the different objects and
then present these components from a normal Seaside component.

Another possibility is to build a single flat description consisting
the descriptions of multiple objects. Search the mailing list on how
to build such a composite description. This sometimes works well.

Lukas

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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 01:32:15 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:32:15 -0300
Subject: Help with Menu and background images
In-Reply-To: <40f637ec0904140657l27984e74g6e64b8ec0051f11e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904131808x413ff938l2ab8a57ed1485afa@mail.gmail.com>
	<40f637ec0904140657l27984e74g6e64b8ec0051f11e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John McKeon <p3anoman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mariano
>
> I have used
>
>    .menu li a.active { background: url(xxxJpg); }
>
> But I have only gotten it to work using a WAFileLibrary setup in the
> strictly seaside way.
> John


I made it work with your help :)

Sorry to bother you with CSS questions, but I am very bad with them haha.

Thanks a lot John,

Mariano


>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
> marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I need to do something and I really don't know how to do it. I have a
>> PRMenuWidget and for each menu item I have a particular background image. In
>> those images  I have also the text. For example, in the aboutUs.gif there is
>> also the text "About Us". I want to put another background image for mouse
>> hover (actually it only changes the text color). This works well. The
>> problem is that I want to use this image not only with hover but also when
>> that menu item is selected. When I click on that menu item, I want to put
>> that image.
>>
>> In html + javascript it should be something like this:
>>
>> <td colspan="9"> <a onmouseout="window.status='';
>> changeImages('about_us', 'images/about-us.gif'); return true;"
>> onmouseover="window.status='about us'; changeImages('about_us',
>> 'images/about-us-over.gif'); return true;" href="about.html">
>> <img width="171" height="40" border="0" alt="about us" src="
>> images/about-us.gif" name="about_us"/>
>> </a>
>> </td>
>>
>> any ideas of how can I do this trough pier/seaside ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jborden23 at mac.com  Thu Apr 16 03:50:12 2009
From: jborden23 at mac.com (John Borden)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:50:12 -0500
Subject: Pier - Advanced Search
In-Reply-To: <a49ceb00904020818u167d5aacrd6a61bc905ef65b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65F330CB-65CD-4E0E-B100-35CA910DC67D@mac.com>
	<67628d690902140134t71ccf152ub4114120af914016@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0CB29BE-B349-4365-BE0D-457ED75912D9@mac.com>
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Mariano,
There is a first draft of the Advanced Search in Pier-SW2- 
AdvancedSearch in the Pier Addons.  A short description of it is at:
   http://smallwiki2.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier/Changes+for+Pier/ 
Advanced+Search

The picture on that page shows how it could be used in a lightbox.   
It was really neat seeing the background page change as the links  
were clicked, however it crashed after 2 clicks with a Seaside  
Walkback (WAComponentsNotFoundError: Components not found while  
processing callbacks:).  I implemented #children in all sorts of  
ways, but never got it to work right.

Let us know if you can get it to work.
Thanks,
John

On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:18 AM, C?drick B?ler wrote:

> I just had a quick look...
>
> It seems they refer to an inst var "creation" in PRStructure... Does
> such a var existed before ?
>
> Thanks
>
> 2009/4/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM, John Borden <jborden23 at mac.com>  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>> Is anyone aware of an advanced search for pier, such as case  
>>> sensitive,
>>> boolean (this phrase and/or/but-not that phrase), date related,  
>>> etc?  If
>>> not, I'll start looking into adding it to the PRFullTextSearch  
>>> class.
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>
>> Yes. Please do!!!  This would be very useful for an application I  
>> am making
>> now. So, consider me as a beta tester if you want :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> C?drick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 04:48:31 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:48:31 -0300
Subject: Pier - Advanced Search
In-Reply-To: <C6A49A17-9E98-40C1-8149-FC8D987A67B4@mac.com>
References: <65F330CB-65CD-4E0E-B100-35CA910DC67D@mac.com>
	<67628d690902140134t71ccf152ub4114120af914016@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0CB29BE-B349-4365-BE0D-457ED75912D9@mac.com>
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM, John Borden <jborden23 at mac.com> wrote:

> Mariano,There is a first draft of the Advanced Search in
> Pier-SW2-AdvancedSearch in the Pier Addons.  A short description of it is
> at:
>
> http://smallwiki2.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier/Changes+for+Pier/Advanced+Search
>

Nice men!!! Very good job. Very useful. I could perfectly added to my
website.

I have some ideas/notes/questions:

1) In your example:
http://smallwiki2.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier/Changes+for+Pier/Advanced+Search
you have the word "search" as an example. When you do focus there, this is
removed. This doesn't happen to me with your widget. I have there what I
searched the last time. Wouldn't be better to put "search" as an example,
every time I render that component ?

2) In your example, the search is an ajax search. I think it is
PRAjaxSearchWidget. But, in your code, PRAdvancedSearchWidget is a subclass
of PRSearchWidget. I like more the ajax's one.

3) Suppose I want the final/normal user to customize the search: max items,
filters, and so on. Should the user have access to "edit" command of my
search component? or It would be better to let customize this in the
advanced search in the same way as "case sensitive" or "case insensitive"
???



>
> The picture on that page shows how it could be used in a lightbox.  It was
> really neat seeing the background page change as the links were clicked,
> however it crashed after 2 clicks with a Seaside Walkback
> (WAComponentsNotFoundError: Components not found while processing
> callbacks:).  I implemented #children in all sorts of ways, but never got it
> to work right.
>
>

> Let us know if you can get it to work.
>

I could reproduce the error. I will try to find the problem. However, know I
am still very newbie with Pier and a a little newbie with Seaside haha.


> Thanks,
>

No, thanks to you. Thanks for your work and for sharing this to us.

Cheers,

Mariano



> John
>


>
> On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:18 AM, C?drick B?ler wrote:
>
> I just had a quick look...
>
> It seems they refer to an inst var "creation" in PRStructure... Does
> such a var existed before ?
>
> Thanks
>
> 2009/4/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com>:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM, John Borden <jborden23 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
> All,
> Is anyone aware of an advanced search for pier, such as case sensitive,
> boolean (this phrase and/or/but-not that phrase), date related, etc?  If
> not, I'll start looking into adding it to the PRFullTextSearch class.
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> Yes. Please do!!!  This would be very useful for an application I am making
> now. So, consider me as a beta tester if you want :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mariano
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
>
> --
> C?drick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Apr 16 15:52:03 2009
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:52:03 +0200
Subject: setting up a blog?
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904131921i477784b5q53385baab17c71e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85687714-8EBB-4E98-B80C-C88F9213AD13@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<6ac749c10904090050h28e9dc72y11cf13b6256935a4@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Mariano,

The Environment is the page that defines the template for the current  
structure :). You can see it via the Edit Design Command.

In the Pier 1.1.1 distribution, the environment of /blog is / 
blogenvironment. If you go to /blog and Edit Design, you will see that  
you have a +/environment/blogarchive+. This means that the component  
blogarchive resides somewhere else (in this case under /environment)  
and it is embedded when the blog is rendered.

Indeed, the class is PBPostArchive, but in the ui menu it appears  
under the name of 'Archive' in the 'Blog' grouping.

For the code to produce this setup, please take a look in  
PRDistribution from the Pier-Setup package.

Cheers,
Doru

On 14 Apr 2009, at 04:21, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>  
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I added the followings to the faq:
>
> How to setup a blog?
>        ? Invoke the Add command and select Blog from the dropdown  
> menu.
>        ?
>
>
> To get the archive in the blog, add an Blog Archive component  
> somewhere else, and embed it in the environment of the Blog
>
> Doru, thanks for the help.
>
> I didn't understand this point. I don't have Blog Archive component.  
> I only have PBPostArchive. However, I don't know how to embed it  
> into the enviorment of the blog. Add command in blog, only shows me  
> "post".
>
> Sorry for the newbies questions :)
>
> Mariano
>
>
>
> How to post to a blog?
>        ? Go to the blog
>        ? Invoke the Add command and select Post
>        ? Entry the content
>        ? If you want to publish it for everyone to see, enter the  
> publication date (you can also click on the current button)
>
>
> Does this help?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On 10 Apr 2009, at 11:01, John M McIntosh wrote:
>
>
> On 9-Apr-09, at 12:50 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
> You may want to download Pier-Setup and execute 'PRDistribution new
> register'. That will erase default Pier kernel and replace with with a
> new one, with a good-looking css some default pages and a blog. Here
> is the list of packages I install in a new pharo-web image related to
> Pier:
>
> Yes, but I want to do it via Add Components so I can fill out
>
> http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Wiki_Add_Blog.html
>
> Although I could supply a premade one via smalltalk objects creating  
> the required objects, it
> likely someone would like to do it manually from a browser.
> --
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> ======================================================================
> John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http:// 
> www.smalltalkconsulting.com
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> ======================================================================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
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>
> "Relationships are of two kinds: those we choose and those that  
> happen. They both matter."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> _______________________________________________
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"Speaking louder won't make your point worthier."



From fritsche.markus at gmx.net  Thu Apr 16 22:50:37 2009
From: fritsche.markus at gmx.net (Markus Fritsche)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:50:37 +0200
Subject: WAHtmlRoot>>#rss?
Message-ID: <t9ikb6-798.ln1@eee701.mfrouter.dyndns.org>

Hello, 

I am just playing with pharo web and did an update of the latest pharo web
image. When I'm surfing to the pier installation and click on "News", I get
a DNU "WAHtmlRoot>>#rss". 

What's the proper dependency for that?

Editing spooled news posting...: It's rsrss - www.squeaksource.com/rsrss and
then package RSRSS2.


Kind regards, 
        Markus



From dtrussardi at tiscali.it  Fri Apr 17 17:47:18 2009
From: dtrussardi at tiscali.it (Dario Trussardi)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:47:18 +0200
Subject: MA.....Description for ScaledDecimal 
Message-ID: <E76F76185EB547A0819CE561E410007F@istcamuno>

Hi,

   i need to manage one Magritte description for money data.

    I think it's base on ScaledDecimal class.

    Anyone development it ?

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,


    Dario
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 21:07:11 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:07:11 +0100
Subject: MA.....Description for ScaledDecimal
In-Reply-To: <E76F76185EB547A0819CE561E410007F@istcamuno>
References: <E76F76185EB547A0819CE561E410007F@istcamuno>
Message-ID: <49E8D35F.302@yahoo.co.uk>

Dario Trussardi wrote:
> Hi,
>  
>    i need to manage one Magritte description for money data.
>  
>     I think it's base on ScaledDecimal class.
>  
>     Anyone development it ?
>  
>
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>     Dario
Hello, I use the FixedDecimal for this purpose. There is
MAFixedDecimalDescription in the Magritte-RDB package in magritteaddons

Keith


From chaetal at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 21:32:32 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:32:32 +0400
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
Message-ID: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>

I use Pier in pharo0.1-10268web09.04. When I try to download a File I
added before, original file name is ignored and it is named as 'Pier'
always. The contents is correct.

-- 
Dennis Schetinin

From renggli at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 22:49:11 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:49:11 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for reporting. I can reproduce this, but not immediately fix this.

I created an issue and will look at this ASAP.

http://code.google.com/p/pier/issues/detail?id=94

Cheers,
Lukas

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use Pier in pharo0.1-10268web09.04. When I try to download a File I
> added before, original file name is ignored and it is named as 'Pier'
> always. The contents is correct.
>
> --
> Dennis Schetinin
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



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From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 10:18:21 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:18:21 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>

Serving files seems to be very confusing, as there are so many driving
forces and requirements.

1. The filename. There are two filenames, the one of the structure and
the one of the uploaded file. To me it is not clear which one is
preferable to be used? The one of the structure changes when the file
is renamed, the other one is determined by the original filename of
the upload.

2. The serving. There are two ways to serve files. Serving can either
happen using Seaside (the default) or using Apache (which is much more
efficient). The two approaches have completely different semantics, in
the Seaside case we have full control over the path. The approach with
Apache is limited to how Magritte lays out the files to the
file-system, however that could be fixed using X-Sendfile, but then
requires a non-standard plugin in Apache.

3. The response. In the case Seaside is serving we can set
Content-Disposition in the response. Setting it means that browsers
downloads the file, even if it could be displayed in the browser
window.

Maybe there are even more possible dimensions. Anybody has an idea how
to consistently resolve these problems?

Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Sun Apr 19 17:13:39 2009
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:13:39 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34CE0D3C-3BD8-4126-84E7-DEFD14D40421@iam.unibe.ch>

lukas

this is a pier only  bug?
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> Thank you for reporting. I can reproduce this, but not immediately  
> fix this.
>
> I created an issue and will look at this ASAP.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/pier/issues/detail?id=94
>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Dennis Schetinin  
> <chaetal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I use Pier in pharo0.1-10268web09.04. When I try to download a File I
>> added before, original file name is ignored and it is named as 'Pier'
>> always. The contents is correct.
>>
>> --
>> Dennis Schetinin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:23:19 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:23:19 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45d84bd00904190823l33e7545fx6133224c6a941dc9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Serving files seems to be very confusing, as there are so many driving
> forces and requirements.
>
> 1. The filename. There are two filenames, the one of the structure and
> the one of the uploaded file. To me it is not clear which one is
> preferable to be used? The one of the structure changes when the file
> is renamed, the other one is determined by the original filename of
> the upload.


the extension is sometimes cruical, since windows uses it to offer a program
that can open it. Can structure names end in .doc?

2. The serving. There are two ways to serve files. Serving can either
> happen using Seaside (the default) or using Apache (which is much more
> efficient). The two approaches have completely different semantics, in
> the Seaside case we have full control over the path. The approach with
> Apache is limited to how Magritte lays out the files to the
> file-system, however that could be fixed using X-Sendfile, but then
> requires a non-standard plugin in Apache.
>

it would be ideal if the same image could be used in both scenarios. In one
file would be served from the pier image, for instance when designer is
working on his local copy based on one-click image. In other scenario web
proxy would intercept file requst by recognizing url patttern, and serve the
file it self.

For second scenario to work, there are two important conditions:
- all structures that need to be served as files need to have some
 recognizable url like /seaside/pier/content-files/*
- pier should also write uploaded files in equvalent file system directory
structure so nginx or apache could serve it of from there.

Maybe there are even more possible dimensions. Anybody has an idea how
> to consistently resolve these problems?
>

I think I have managed to add some more complications with my wishes ;)

rush
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From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:27:58 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:27:58 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904190823l33e7545fx6133224c6a941dc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
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Maybe offering FileLibrary and its web interface as part of pier, and not
forcing it to be a structure could be a solution? But in this case user
rights management that works for structures would be lost.

rush
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From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:38:07 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:38:07 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904190823l33e7545fx6133224c6a941dc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
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>> 1. The filename. There are two filenames, the one of the structure and
>> the one of the uploaded file. To me it is not clear which one is
>> preferable to be used? The one of the structure changes when the file
>> is renamed, the other one is determined by the original filename of
>> the upload.
>
> the extension is sometimes cruical, since windows uses it to offer a program
> that can open it. Can structure names end in .doc?

Yes, that is possible. It is probably more consistent to use the
structure name, because like this one has the possibility to rename.

>> 2. The serving. There are two ways to serve files. Serving can either
>> happen using Seaside (the default) or using Apache (which is much more
>> efficient). The two approaches have completely different semantics, in
>> the Seaside case we have full control over the path. The approach with
>> Apache is limited to how Magritte lays out the files to the
>> file-system, however that could be fixed using X-Sendfile, but then
>> requires a non-standard plugin in Apache.
>
> it would be ideal if the same image could be used in both scenarios. In one
> file would be served from the pier image, for instance when designer is
> working on his local copy based on one-click image. In other scenario web
> proxy would intercept file requst by recognizing url patttern, and serve the
> file it self.
> For second scenario to work, there are two important conditions:
> - all structures that need to be served as files need to have some
> ?recognizable url like /seaside/pier/content-files/*
> - pier should also write uploaded files in equvalent file system directory
> structure so nginx or apache could serve it of from there.

This is essentially already implemented, see the class side of
MAExternalFileModel or the PRFileSettings widget to change these
properties from the web. The problem with Apache serving is that the
directories have to be obfuscated to not loose security. This is not a
problem for downloads, but for style-sheets for example that sometimes
use relative references to other files. Using X-Sendfile this could be
fixed relatively easy, but this is a non-standard Apache module.

Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:41:53 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:41:53 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <45d84bd00904190827n134458b5r44fd418e4e20cd09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <67628d690904190841n2602fd93j756b96de657ce6e4@mail.gmail.com>

> Maybe offering FileLibrary and its web interface as part of pier, and not
> forcing it to be a structure could be a solution? But in this case user
> rights management that works for structures would be lost.

That's a possibility. Although I've never tried myself, but it should
be possible to add the Seaside application configuration and the
FileLibrary management component into some protected management page.
However this is not really efficient when files get bigger than a few
KB, because these are compiled as Smalltalk methods and thus always in
memory.

Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:45:13 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:45:13 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <34CE0D3C-3BD8-4126-84E7-DEFD14D40421@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
	<34CE0D3C-3BD8-4126-84E7-DEFD14D40421@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <67628d690904190845g3026ca4ap56b32e1a0e9d80b3@mail.gmail.com>

> this is a pier only ?bug?

As I tried to explain there are several dragging forces here. When one
is fixed, another one breaks. I am trying to find a solution that is
consistent and that works for most setups. Earlier versions did not
show this bug until John McIntosh discovered that enforcing a
file-name in the HTTP header caused the file to always be downloaded
instead of displayed inside the browser window.

Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:51:19 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:51:19 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904190838k27c58bdfs6b08e0aa1ea64d4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>
	<45d84bd00904190823l33e7545fx6133224c6a941dc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904190838k27c58bdfs6b08e0aa1ea64d4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45d84bd00904190851g3a30a8e4t366c7e6431f10b02@mail.gmail.com>

>
> This is essentially already implemented, see the class side of
> MAExternalFileModel or the PRFileSettings widget to change these
> properties from the web. The problem with Apache serving is that the
> directories have to be obfuscated to not loose security. This is not a
> problem for downloads, but for style-sheets for example that sometimes
> use relative references to other files. Using X-Sendfile this could be
> fixed relatively easy, but this is a non-standard Apache module.
>


I think there are 2 usage scenarios with different needs:
a) files are actually documents with security - i.e. someone has uplaoded
pdf with perliminary financial results
b) files that are used as part of templates, css and similar. which need no
security on read side, but need offloading to proxy

a) is served pretty well within current framework
b) does not fit well within current framework since it is difficult to
offload to proxy

Maybe the solution is not trying to fit those 2 into one thing but handle
them separately.

rush
http://www.cloud208.com/
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From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Sun Apr 19 19:55:57 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:55:57 -0700
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
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On 19-Apr-09, at 1:18 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> 3. The response. In the case Seaside is serving we can set
> Content-Disposition in the response. Setting it means that browsers
> downloads the file, even if it could be displayed in the browser
> window.

Ah, I thought I mentioned if you stick "inline" in

WAReponse>>attachmentWithFileName: aString
	self headerAt: 'Content-Disposition' put: 'inline; attachment;  
filename="', aString, '"'

see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2183.txt

Then Safari is happy to show PDF files in the browser, versus  
downloading

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From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 20:03:55 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:03:55 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <53609D41-7EEE-4BA1-8843-24D1475EE3A6@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
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	<53609D41-7EEE-4BA1-8843-24D1475EE3A6@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904191103h51732281uf16bdd3c62e19018@mail.gmail.com>

>> 3. The response. In the case Seaside is serving we can set
>> Content-Disposition in the response. Setting it means that browsers
>> downloads the file, even if it could be displayed in the browser
>> window.
>
> Ah, I thought I mentioned if you stick "inline" in
>
> WAReponse>>attachmentWithFileName: aString
> ? ? ? ?self headerAt: 'Content-Disposition' put: 'inline; attachment;
> filename="', aString, '"'
>
> see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2183.txt
>
> Then Safari is happy to show PDF files in the browser, versus downloading

Ahh, interesting. I wasn't aware of that, only that removing the
Content-Disposition altogether has the same effect but also loses
control over the filename. That should solve at least the problems
when the file is served through Squeak/Seaside.

Thanks for the hint.

Lukas


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From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Sun Apr 19 20:51:49 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:51:49 -0700
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904191103h51732281uf16bdd3c62e19018@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>
	<53609D41-7EEE-4BA1-8843-24D1475EE3A6@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<67628d690904191103h51732281uf16bdd3c62e19018@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8E95F32-C78C-4F0C-A815-95AD1EB9CC96@smalltalkconsulting.com>

I think you've a copy of WikiServer, use the latest one and give it a  
try.

The other issue was the desire for Magritte to hand back the contents  
of the file to seaside for downloading.
This might be fine on a server, but if you attempt to toss a 64MB file  
on the iPhone you die, well it could
apply to a desktop machine if you move 500MB files.

The problem is

MAExternalFileModel>>urlFor: aRenderingContext
	^ self baseUrl isNil
		ifTrue: [ super urlFor: aRenderingContext ]
		ifFalse: [ self baseUrl , '/' , (self location reduce: [ :a :b | a ,  
'/' , b ]) , '/' , self filename ]


MAFileModel>>urlFor: aContext
	^ aContext
		urlForDocument: self contents
		mimeType: self mimetype
		fileName: self filename

See the "self contents"  In WikiServer I changed that to

MAExternalFileModel >>urlFor: aContext

	^ self baseUrl isNil
		ifTrue: [aContext
			urlForDocument: self
			mimeType: self mimetype
			fileName: self filename]
		ifFalse: [ self baseUrl , '/' , (self location reduce: [ :a :b | a ,  
'/' , b ]) , '/' , self filename ]


Other helper methods I had to add were

MAExternalFileModel>>asMIMEDocumentType: aMimeType
	"for text documents we need to return the proper mime type aware  
document otherwise we get UTF-8 errors
	but for other document types we want a binary type"

	self maintype = 'text'
		ifTrue: [^self readStream asMIMEDocumentType: aMimeType].
	^self readStreamBinary asMIMEDocumentType: aMimeType

MAExternalFileModel>>readStreamBinary
	"We make a StandardFileStream instance and set to binary, oddly  
someone closes this later and re-opens as
	text if we make a MultiByteFileStream then it starts streaming as  
utf-8 which is a bad thing"

	^ (self directory readOnlyStandardFileNamed: self filename) binary

FileDirectory>>readOnlyStandardFileNamed: localFileName
	"Open the existing file with the given name in this directory for  
read-only access."

	^ StandardFileStream readOnlyFileNamed: (self fullNameFor:  
localFileName)


On 19-Apr-09, at 11:03 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

>>> Ahh, interesting. I wasn't aware of that, only that removing the
> Content-Disposition altogether has the same effect but also loses
> control over the filename. That should solve at least the problems
> when the file is served through Squeak/Seaside.
>
> Thanks for the hint.
>
> Lukas

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From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 23:12:54 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:12:54 +0200
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
In-Reply-To: <E8E95F32-C78C-4F0C-A815-95AD1EB9CC96@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <84f77e270904181232v6897061fo6b9df658fc5929c@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904181349w2b8a8061w86431aeb1720554f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904190118i2e7506c2jf6dae427a1814f94@mail.gmail.com>
	<53609D41-7EEE-4BA1-8843-24D1475EE3A6@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<67628d690904191103h51732281uf16bdd3c62e19018@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8E95F32-C78C-4F0C-A815-95AD1EB9CC96@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904191412n2cb3e8eft2a56852cceb7b1e6@mail.gmail.com>

> I think you've a copy of WikiServer, use the latest one and give it a try.

The binary application, yes ;-)

> See the "self contents" ?In WikiServer I changed that to
>
> MAExternalFileModel >>urlFor: aContext
>
> ? ? ? ?^ self baseUrl isNil
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ifTrue: [aContext
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?urlForDocument: self
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mimeType: self mimetype
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?fileName: self filename]
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ifFalse: [ self baseUrl , '/' , (self location reduce: [ :a
> :b | a , '/' , b ]) , '/' , self filename ]

That's a very cool trick. Thanks for sharing.

I integrated the change with Magritte-Seaside-lr.295, however instead
of using the standard WADocumentHandler of Seaside I added my own
handler called MAFileModelHandler. Like this I don't think I need to
worry about ascii/binary modes (AFAIK) and I can avoid unnecessary
copy and cache operations that the default implementation idoes.
Furthermore it does not depend on platform dependent file operations,
something I would like to avoid if possible (for GST, VisualWorks and
GemStone compatibility).

Please give it a try and let me know if this solves at least the
current problems when the file is served through the image.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Mon Apr 20 00:06:57 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:06:57 -0700
Subject: Loosing file name dowloading PRFile
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	<53609D41-7EEE-4BA1-8843-24D1475EE3A6@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<67628d690904191103h51732281uf16bdd3c62e19018@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8E95F32-C78C-4F0C-A815-95AD1EB9CC96@smalltalkconsulting.com>
	<67628d690904191412n2cb3e8eft2a56852cceb7b1e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268B3B23-832B-4C74-A545-AF2B2C37D3E9@smalltalkconsulting.com>

Ok, well I forgot to add the part for the upload side.

Again the issue on the iphone is uploading 50MB files, but for  
desktop, what if someone wants to push 1GB file?

anyway first you have to turn on the KOM stream uploading feature, say  
via

WAKom default streamUploads: true.

now the issue is with
MAFileUploadCompoent>>upload: aFile
	self value: (aFile isNil ifFalse: [
		self description kind new
			mimetype: aFile contentType;
			filename: aFile fileName;
			contents: aFile contents;
			yourself ])

That sets the content to "aFile contents".

I changed that to

MAFileUploadComponent>>upload: aFile
	self value: (aFile isNil ifFalse: [
		self description kind new
			mimetype: aFile contentType;
			filename: aFile fileName;
			contentsFromWATemporaryFileProxy: aFile;
			yourself ])


MAFileModel>>contentsFromWATemporaryFilePRoxy: file
	self contents: file contents
and
MAExternalFileModel>>contentsFromWATemporaryFileProxy:  file
	| writeStream readStream |
	
	"Write Stream is a file handle to the Pier storage library,  Read  
Stream will be the WATemporaryFile"
	"Set instance filesave value, and copy file from temporary storage to  
Pier storage"

	writeStream := self writeStream.
	readStream := file stream.
	filesize := readStream size.
	
	[FileDirectory default copyFile: readStream toFile:  writeStream]  
ensure:
		[readStream close.
		writeStream close]

and
WATemporaryFile>>stream
	| stream |
	stream := self temporaryDirectory readOnlyFileNamed: self  
temporaryFileName.
	stream binary.
	^stream


I note however on the iPhone I do this instead of the copyFile:toFile:

	IPhoneWikiServerUI isiPhone
		ifTrue: [IPhoneWikiServerUI move: readStream to: writeStream.
				^self].


and use an operating system call to move the file from one directory  
to the other so the cost is zero, when WATemporaryFileProxy
closes, it runs out the delete the file, but we've move it, guess I  
should add an override...

BTW In Sophie we coded up a os-x api call to either copy or move files  
via OS calls so we could preserve all the file meta-data.
Doing the copyFile: toFile: is just so *primitive* and expensive.


Now if someone want's to test all this that would be great because my  
environment is contaminated with changes and it's a bit hard to  
confirm I"ve detailed all the changes.
We've attempted to mark all our Magrritte/pier/seaside changes as  
overrides or extensions, but it's easy to miss one or two.

Testing in fact is  easy on a desktop machine, for linux based  
machines you would start the VM with a memory configuration of oh say  
40MB depending on your pier image. On the Macintosh make a copy of the  
squeak.app and change the info.plist SqueakMaxHeapSize entry from  
536870912 to 40000000, or you can start the VM on the cmd line (see http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/105) 
  and set -memory 40m   just like you would do on Linux.

This will limit the VM to use 40MB of memory, now attempt to add an  
image file of say 50MB to a pier page.  No doubt you should use the GC/ 
memory report to confirm what you think you are telling the VM about  
memory upper bound is what it actually is don.g


On 19-Apr-09, at 2:12 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> I integrated the change with Magritte-Seaside-lr.295, however instead
> of using the standard WADocumentHandler of Seaside I added my own
> handler called MAFileModelHandler. Like this I don't think I need to
> worry about ascii/binary modes (AFAIK) and I can avoid unnecessary
> copy and cache operations that the default implementation idoes.
> Furthermore it does not depend on platform dependent file operations,
> something I would like to avoid if possible (for GST, VisualWorks and
> GemStone compatibility).
>
> Please give it a try and let me know if this solves at least the
> current problems when the file is served through the image.
>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> -- 
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

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From kbrown at mac.com  Mon Apr 20 01:12:58 2009
From: kbrown at mac.com (Ken G. Brown)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:12:58 -0600
Subject: WikiServer1.3.5b & Pier on iPhone
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1477.1240175587.1912.smallwiki@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <mailman.1477.1240175587.1912.smallwiki@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <p06240400c6115d2750c0@[169.254.1.2]>

I hope this is the right place to discuss WikiServer and Pier.
I've been messing around a bit with John McIntosh's WikiServer1.3.5b on the iPhone and would like some help understanding what's going on with Pier.

I wanted to understand the overall structure better and thought I would like to see the Tree view at the bottom left instead of just Children.
However when viewing Tree instead of Children view at bottom left things are getting lost.

In order to reproduce the symptoms in a fresh WikiServer, click Help, then Layout, then Environment, see at the bottom left:
		Children
		Contents
		Footer
		Search
		Sidebar
		Style.css
		Title
		Wikiserver.png

Click Sidebar/Navigation,/Settings, choose Component Class = Tree, then Apply.
Go back to Help/Layout/Environment, and only see:

-WikiServer
		+Help

at bottom left. Previous items above are not there.

In order to revert back to Children view in the sidebar the necessary items were no longer available in the sidebar.
I had to search for the Navigation page and then do as follows:

Do a search for Navigation, go to Navigation page, click Settings, revert Component Class back to Children from Tree.

Position back to the Environment page (Help/Layout/Environment), items above are back.

What changes might I need to make in order for the Tree view to not lose the items?
 
Ken G. Brown
 

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 16:32:55 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:32:55 -0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks!

I was trying to see how to manage all my code and resources of a Pier
application. There are several things I must manage:

1) My library (css, js, and so on), seaside components, ...
2) External files  ( /files )
3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)

For 1) I use Monticello.

But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a SVN project
where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export and then commit SVN.

However, I would like to have all in the same control version system. Is
there a way I can do 2) and 3) in MC ?

Thanks in advance,

Mariano
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From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Mon Apr 20 18:42:32 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:42:32 -0700
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A589E8E3-88F4-4C46-9D27-727CFFCC3E02@smalltalkconsulting.com>

For WikiServer I SVN all the source code, the image/change, and the / 
files.

At release time I ensure MC is updated for my project, quit the VM,   
then commit everything to SVN.
This ensure I can later export a source tree from SVN for a particular  
version and have everything the same as it was when I made the version  
commit point.

Although this tosses 40-50MB of image/changes into SVN, disk space is  
cheap.

That said a chore I have this week is to explore import/export to have  
it build a zip file of not only the PRKernel, but /files as well.
But I'm not going to expect that should take over from my SVN solution

On 20-Apr-09, at 7:32 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Hi folks!
>
> I was trying to see how to manage all my code and resources of a  
> Pier application. There are several things I must manage:
>
> 1) My library (css, js, and so on), seaside components, ...
> 2) External files  ( /files )
> 3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)
>
> For 1) I use Monticello.
>
> But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a SVN  
> project where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export and  
> then commit SVN.
>
> However, I would like to have all in the same control version  
> system. Is there a way I can do 2) and 3) in MC ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mariano
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
= 
= 
= 
========================================================================
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Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
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========================================================================




From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 19:45:51 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:45:51 +0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> I was trying to see how to manage all my code and resources of a Pier
> application. There are several things I must manage:
>
> 1) My library (css, js, and so on), seaside components, ...
> 2) External files  ( /files )
> 3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)
>
> For 1) I use Monticello.
>
> But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a SVN
> project where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export and then
> commit SVN.
My prefered solution is to use bazaar for 1, and 2, and for the image,
and all support files. This is because bazaar supports a lightweight
checkout for deployment.
> However, I would like to have all in the same control version system.
> Is there a way I can do 2) and 3) in MC
One reason I added files support to Monticello 1.5 was for seaside
css/js. (yes MC can handle files, check squeak-dev announcements)

Keith



From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 19:50:07 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:50:07 +0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <A589E8E3-88F4-4C46-9D27-727CFFCC3E02@smalltalkconsulting.com>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<A589E8E3-88F4-4C46-9D27-727CFFCC3E02@smalltalkconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49ECB5CF.6050303@yahoo.co.uk>

John M McIntosh wrote:
> For WikiServer I SVN all the source code, the image/change, and the
> /files.
>
> At release time I ensure MC is updated for my project, quit the VM, 
> then commit everything to SVN.
> This ensure I can later export a source tree from SVN for a particular
> version and have everything the same as it was when I made the version
> commit point.
>
> Although this tosses 40-50MB of image/changes into SVN, disk space is
> cheap.
>
> That said a chore I have this week is to explore import/export to have
> it build a zip file of not only the PRKernel, but /files as well.
> But I'm not going to expect that should take over from my SVN solution
>
> On 20-Apr-09, at 7:32 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Since mcz is a zip file anyway perhaps an extension to enable PRKernel
nodes to be exported into mc, in a similar manner to the existing mc1.5
file support, would be an idea worth pursuing

Keith


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 20:45:24 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:45:24 -0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> > Hi folks!
> >
> > I was trying to see how to manage all my code and resources of a Pier
> > application. There are several things I must manage:
> >
> > 1) My library (css, js, and so on), seaside components, ...
> > 2) External files  ( /files )
> > 3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)
> >
> > For 1) I use Monticello.
> >
> > But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a SVN
> > project where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export and then
> > commit SVN.
> My prefered solution is to use bazaar for 1, and 2, and for the image,
> and all support files. This is because bazaar supports a lightweight
> checkout for deployment.


Thank you very much to both of you.

It is a long time since I want to try bazar. I really hate SVN so, this is
the perfect exuse for me to use bazar :)


>
> > However, I would like to have all in the same control version system.
> > Is there a way I can do 2) and 3) in MC
> One reason I added files support to Monticello 1.5 was for seaside
> css/js. (yes MC can handle files, check squeak-dev announcements)
>

Do you know which verion is in Pier 1.1.1 one click image ? and in pharo ?

Thanks a lot.

Mariano


>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 20:47:54 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:47:54 -0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904201147m2f77282aveb214ad35c6cf4cd@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to say bazaar not bazar haha

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>> > Hi folks!
>> >
>> > I was trying to see how to manage all my code and resources of a Pier
>> > application. There are several things I must manage:
>> >
>> > 1) My library (css, js, and so on), seaside components, ...
>> > 2) External files  ( /files )
>> > 3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)
>> >
>> > For 1) I use Monticello.
>> >
>> > But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a SVN
>> > project where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export and then
>> > commit SVN.
>> My prefered solution is to use bazaar for 1, and 2, and for the image,
>> and all support files. This is because bazaar supports a lightweight
>> checkout for deployment.
>
>
> Thank you very much to both of you.
>
> It is a long time since I want to try bazar. I really hate SVN so, this is
> the perfect exuse for me to use bazar :)
>
>
>>
>> > However, I would like to have all in the same control version system.
>> > Is there a way I can do 2) and 3) in MC
>> One reason I added files support to Monticello 1.5 was for seaside
>> css/js. (yes MC can handle files, check squeak-dev announcements)
>>
>
> Do you know which verion is in Pier 1.1.1 one click image ? and in pharo ?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Mariano
>
>
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Mon Apr 20 20:58:02 2009
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:58:02 -0700
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
	(Mariano Martinez Peck's message of "Mon,
	20 Apr 2009 17:45:24 -0100")
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86iqkzkv9h.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Mariano" == Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com> writes:

Mariano> It is a long time since I want to try bazar. I really hate SVN so, this is
Mariano> the perfect exuse for me to use bazar :)

Be sure to look at "git" as well.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 21:01:18 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:01:18 -0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <86iqkzkv9h.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
	<86iqkzkv9h.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904201201w174ac33aw94d0c02055afbd6c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Randal L. Schwartz
<merlyn at stonehenge.com>wrote:

> >>>>> "Mariano" == Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com> writes:
>
> Mariano> It is a long time since I want to try bazar. I really hate SVN so,
> this is
> Mariano> the perfect exuse for me to use bazar :)
>
> Be sure to look at "git" as well.
>

Yes. It's true. There are lots of them. I also look Git once because I use
Linux and Git author......and there is Mercury also.

But, the truth is that I didn't really work with any of them.

I will look at git then and try to use one of them.

Thanks for the help.

Mariano


>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside
> discussion
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 21:02:10 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:02:10 +0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>	<49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49ECC6B2.4070201@yahoo.co.uk>

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Keith Hodges
> <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>     > Hi folks!
>     >
>     > I was trying to see how to manage all my code and resources of a
>     Pier
>     > application. There are several things I must manage:
>     >
>     > 1) My library (css, js, and so on), seaside components, ...
>     > 2) External files  ( /files )
>     > 3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)
>     >
>     > For 1) I use Monticello.
>     >
>     > But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a SVN
>     > project where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export
>     and then
>     > commit SVN.
>     My prefered solution is to use bazaar for 1, and 2, and for the image,
>     and all support files. This is because bazaar supports a lightweight
>     checkout for deployment.
>
>
> Thank you very much to both of you.
>
> It is a long time since I want to try bazar. I really hate SVN so,
> this is the perfect exuse for me to use bazar :)
>  
>
>
>     > However, I would like to have all in the same control version
>     system.
>     > Is there a way I can do 2) and 3) in MC
>     One reason I added files support to Monticello 1.5 was for seaside
>     css/js. (yes MC can handle files, check squeak-dev announcements)
>
>
> Do you know which verion is in Pier 1.1.1 one click image ? and in pharo ?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Mariano
Its not MC1.5, and I will say no more to avoid offending anyone

Keith


From davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 21:06:45 2009
From: davorin.rusevljan at gmail.com (Davorin Rusevljan)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:06:45 +0200
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45d84bd00904201206t47412c72g73eed61856ef1d31@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2) External files  ( /files )
> 3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)
>


> But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a SVN
> project where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export and then
> commit SVN.
>

Interestingly, while we were discussing version control options for Dolphin
on the newsgroup, many people also complained that current smalltalk version
control systems miss handling of non smalltalk artifacts, like bitmaps ,
icons, dll's and similar stuff that eds to go hand in hand with particular
release of smalltalk stuff.
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 21:09:20 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:09:20 -0100
Subject: Source control version and Pier
In-Reply-To: <49ECC6B2.4070201@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <a38fadc50904200732s2e13e6d3kefafab933d543ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<49ECB4CF.1050706@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a38fadc50904201145l72cf8b97l516c4a7b16f7276b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49ECC6B2.4070201@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904201209v691e9896o8579df62a83c185d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Keith Hodges
> > <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >     Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >     > Hi folks!
> >     >
> >     > I was trying to see how to manage all my code and resources of a
> >     Pier
> >     > application. There are several things I must manage:
> >     >
> >     > 1) My library (css, js, and so on), seaside components, ...
> >     > 2) External files  ( /files )
> >     > 3) Pier content (trough import/export utility)
> >     >
> >     > For 1) I use Monticello.
> >     >
> >     > But I don't know how to manage 2) and 3). I tough I could have a
> SVN
> >     > project where I can put them. So, what I should do is: export
> >     and then
> >     > commit SVN.
> >     My prefered solution is to use bazaar for 1, and 2, and for the
> image,
> >     and all support files. This is because bazaar supports a lightweight
> >     checkout for deployment.
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much to both of you.
> >
> > It is a long time since I want to try bazar. I really hate SVN so,
> > this is the perfect exuse for me to use bazar :)
> >
> >
> >
> >     > However, I would like to have all in the same control version
> >     system.
> >     > Is there a way I can do 2) and 3) in MC
> >     One reason I added files support to Monticello 1.5 was for seaside
> >     css/js. (yes MC can handle files, check squeak-dev announcements)
> >
> >
> > Do you know which verion is in Pier 1.1.1 one click image ? and in pharo
> ?
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> > Mariano
> Its not MC1.5, and I will say no more to avoid offending anyone
>

Ok. Thanks. Sorry for the noise.

However what I really wanted to know if there was a easy way on managing ALL
of a Pier application inside squeak/pharo or if the easy way was to use an
external control version system.

Thanks for the replies


>
> Keith
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From jborden23 at mac.com  Wed Apr 22 06:15:27 2009
From: jborden23 at mac.com (John Borden)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:15:27 -0500
Subject: Pier - Problems moving pages
Message-ID: <6CAA63F8-FCFB-422C-A282-21ABA76EBA8B@mac.com>

All,
One of the most impressive things I see about pier is the ability to  
move pages around.  A few days ago, I found that if I moved a page,  
then edited it, all of the links on the page were broken.  A three  
page test would be:
   root - Root has children *folder* and *command*
     folder - Folder has a *parent>../.* and a  *sibling/child>../ 
command*
     command - Command has a *root>../.* and a  *sibling/parent>../ 
folder*

If command is moved from being a child of root to being a child of  
folder, then when it is edited, the link will not be updated to  
*root>../..* and *sibling/parent>../..*.

If we add the following to the bottom of PRMoveCommand>>doExecute,  
then it removes this problem:

   self structure enumerator everything do: [:e |  
(PROutgoingReferences on: e) do: [:link | link update ]]

This evening, I wrote a test case, and tested this with some older  
code, but when I load Pier-model 300 and Pier tests 129, about a  
dozen tests fail and there an issue with a DNU in  
PRPathReference>>setTarget:, if someone is changing the Pier-Model,  
could you add this test:

PRMoveCommandTest>>testMoveIntoFolderCheckContents
	"Taken from #testMoveIntoFolder"
	self command
		target: (self command root childrenDecoration at: 'folder').
	self kernel root contents: 'Before root has two children, *folder*  
and *command*.  After will be one child named folder, which has a  
child command'.
	(self kernel root childrenDecoration at: 'folder')
		contents: 'Folder has a *parent>../* and a  *sibling/child>../ 
command*.'.
	(self kernel root childrenDecoration at: 'command')
		contents: 'Command has a *root parent>../* and a  *sibling/ 
parrent>../folder*.'.
	self deny: (self kernel root enumerator everything
			anySatisfy: [:e | (PROutgoingReferences on: e)
					anySatisfy: [:link | link isBroken]]).
	self
		shouldnt: [self command execute]
		raise: PRStructureError.
	self
		assert: (self command root contents includesSubString: 'two  
children, *folder* and *folder/command*.').
	self
		assert: ((self command root childrenDecoration at: 'folder')  
contents includesSubString: 'has a *parent>../* and a  *sibling/ 
child>command*.').
	self
		assert: (((self command root childrenDecoration at: 'folder')  
childrenDecoration at: 'command') contents includesSubString:  
'Command has a *root parent>../..* and a  *sibling/parrent>..*.')

Thanks,
John

From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 08:39:30 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:39:30 +0200
Subject: Pier - Problems moving pages
In-Reply-To: <6CAA63F8-FCFB-422C-A282-21ABA76EBA8B@mac.com>
References: <6CAA63F8-FCFB-422C-A282-21ABA76EBA8B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904212339o6da168d8l523c8a63cff808d5@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for submitting this test case. I know that the link-updating
is not as well tested as it should. The method that does all the
update magic is the following one. I recently fixed a problem there,
so it is good that somebody has a look at it. The relevant method is
the following and called with the structure that was moved or copied:

PRLocationCommand>>#updateLinksFor: aStructure
	| structures |
	structures := aStructure enumerator
		everything contents.
	structures do: [ :structure |
		structure outgoingReferences
			do: [ :link | link update ] ].
	aStructure root incomingReferences
		toAll: structures;
		do: [ :link | link update ]

First of all it builds a collection of the receiver an all its nested
children and updates all their links. Then it updates all the
references in the complete system that point to any structure in the
collection. Am I missing something?

Without touching other code your test passes in the latest Pier. Also
I could not reproduce the problem in the web browser. Are you sure
that you have all the latest versions of the relevant packages loaded?
In my image there is a method called PRPathReference>>#setTarget:.

Cheers,
Lukas

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 AM, John Borden <jborden23 at mac.com> wrote:
> All,
> One of the most impressive things I see about pier is the ability to move
> pages around. ?A few days ago, I found that if I moved a page, then edited
> it, all of the links on the page were broken. ?A three page test would be:
> ?root - Root has children *folder* and *command*
> ? ?folder - Folder has a *parent>../.* and a ?*sibling/child>../command*
> ? ?command - Command has a *root>../.* and a ?*sibling/parent>../folder*
>
> If command is moved from being a child of root to being a child of folder,
> then when it is edited, the link will not be updated to *root>../..* and
> *sibling/parent>../..*.
>
> If we add the following to the bottom of PRMoveCommand>>doExecute, then it
> removes this problem:
>
> ?self structure enumerator everything do: [:e | (PROutgoingReferences on: e)
> do: [:link | link update ]]
>
> This evening, I wrote a test case, and tested this with some older code, but
> when I load Pier-model 300 and Pier tests 129, about a dozen tests fail and
> there an issue with a DNU in PRPathReference>>setTarget:, if someone is
> changing the Pier-Model, could you add this test:
>
> PRMoveCommandTest>>testMoveIntoFolderCheckContents
> ? ? ? ?"Taken from #testMoveIntoFolder"
> ? ? ? ?self command
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?target: (self command root childrenDecoration at: 'folder').
> ? ? ? ?self kernel root contents: 'Before root has two children, *folder*
> and *command*. ?After will be one child named folder, which has a child
> command'.
> ? ? ? ?(self kernel root childrenDecoration at: 'folder')
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?contents: 'Folder has a *parent>../* and a
> ?*sibling/child>../command*.'.
> ? ? ? ?(self kernel root childrenDecoration at: 'command')
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?contents: 'Command has a *root parent>../* and a
> ?*sibling/parrent>../folder*.'.
> ? ? ? ?self deny: (self kernel root enumerator everything
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?anySatisfy: [:e | (PROutgoingReferences on: e)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?anySatisfy: [:link | link
> isBroken]]).
> ? ? ? ?self
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?shouldnt: [self command execute]
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?raise: PRStructureError.
> ? ? ? ?self
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?assert: (self command root contents includesSubString: 'two
> children, *folder* and *folder/command*.').
> ? ? ? ?self
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?assert: ((self command root childrenDecoration at: 'folder')
> contents includesSubString: 'has a *parent>../* and a
> ?*sibling/child>command*.').
> ? ? ? ?self
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?assert: (((self command root childrenDecoration at: 'folder')
> childrenDecoration at: 'command') contents includesSubString: 'Command has a
> *root parent>../..* and a ?*sibling/parrent>..*.')
>
> Thanks,
> John
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From lists at moedae.net  Wed Apr 22 21:03:33 2009
From: lists at moedae.net (Taun)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:03:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Pier editing
Message-ID: <174103634.4221240427013368.JavaMail.root@lpm>

I was just reading and watching the latest blog entry at piercms.com regarding the new editing features. Pier is really coming along and it looks like a lot of good effort is going into it. I constantly waffle between Plone and Pier and thought the following post might be relevant to the edit changes in Pier.

http://limi.net/articles/simplifying-plone/simplify-plones-editing-experience

Taun

From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 21:35:01 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:35:01 +0200
Subject: Pier editing
In-Reply-To: <174103634.4221240427013368.JavaMail.root@lpm>
References: <174103634.4221240427013368.JavaMail.root@lpm>
Message-ID: <67628d690904221235k5bd49457i9bb68b2b4418947c@mail.gmail.com>

> http://limi.net/articles/simplifying-plone/simplify-plones-editing-experience

Thanks for sharing this. Looks really interesting to see in what
directions they are going.

For those that do not know: SmallWiki, the predecessor of Pier, was
essentially written because I got annoyed with Zope/Plone ;-)

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr 22 22:24:30 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:24:30 +0100
Subject: Renderer
Message-ID: <49EF7CFE.9030005@yahoo.co.uk>

Lukas,

I am trying to get my head around what is happening to the renderer.

For my application I subclass the PRViewRenderer, so I can tweak how
things are rendered. For example I use the standard "content with style"
layout (unedited) which uses horizontal rules in a specific way.
Therefore I render horizontal rules as <div class="hr"></div> instead of
the standard. I also find that the rendering of paragraphs is
unpredictable and unhelpful so I take that out too.

What is the plan for the renderer and where are the hooks to change it?

Ideally, I want my default renderer to be configured by my choice of
frame. If I use one frame to embed content in another seaside app (e.g.
gjallar) I want to be able to render appropriately for that context.

regards

Keith


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 00:49:29 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:49:29 +0100
Subject: Renderer
In-Reply-To: <49EF7CFE.9030005@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49EF7CFE.9030005@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49EF9EF9.9080600@yahoo.co.uk>

Keith Hodges wrote:
> Ideally, I want my default renderer to be configured by my choice of
> frame. If I use one frame to embed content in another seaside app (e.g.
> gjallar) I want to be able to render appropriately for that context.
>   
It appears that the best if not only place to provide a custom renderer
globally is in PRPierFrame-renderOn:
The fact that the renderer is originally chosen by the command suggests
to me that there is some use case for per-command custom rendering, that
I am not aware of, and my setting will break it. Is this the case?

Keith

p.s. is the new PRSlideShow a "crossfade?" I couldn't see any code that
does crossfading?





From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu Apr 23 02:36:35 2009
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:36:35 -0700
Subject: magritte and pier for 2.9
Message-ID: <86zle8dx4c.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>


Can I use the existing Magritte and Pier with 2.9, or do these need
to be updated?

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 08:04:44 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:04:44 +0200
Subject: magritte and pier for 2.9
In-Reply-To: <86zle8dx4c.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
References: <86zle8dx4c.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904222304lff3e93bu9734b2860155dda8@mail.gmail.com>

Magritte works well with Seaside 2.9, I am using it myself in various projects.

Pier is problematic, because it depends on various internal features
of Seaside. Pier-Seaside will require various parts to be fixed or
rewritten.

Cheers,
Lukas

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Randal L. Schwartz
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> wrote:
>
> Can I use the existing Magritte and Pier with 2.9, or do these need
> to be updated?
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From matthias.berth at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 23 11:36:05 2009
From: matthias.berth at googlemail.com (Matthias Berth)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:36:05 +0200
Subject: Pier editing
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904221235k5bd49457i9bb68b2b4418947c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <174103634.4221240427013368.JavaMail.root@lpm>
	<67628d690904221235k5bd49457i9bb68b2b4418947c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9aa6ae270904230236r16f906aq20f214515665bf46@mail.gmail.com>

BTW: piercms.com goes to the seasidehosting main page (at least for
me), www.piercms.com goes to the expected page...

Matthias

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://limi.net/articles/simplifying-plone/simplify-plones-editing-experience
>
> Thanks for sharing this. Looks really interesting to see in what
> directions they are going.
>
> For those that do not know: SmallWiki, the predecessor of Pier, was
> essentially written because I got annoyed with Zope/Plone ;-)
>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Apr 23 12:27:52 2009
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:27:52 +0200
Subject: Pier editing
In-Reply-To: <9aa6ae270904230236r16f906aq20f214515665bf46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <174103634.4221240427013368.JavaMail.root@lpm>
	<67628d690904221235k5bd49457i9bb68b2b4418947c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9aa6ae270904230236r16f906aq20f214515665bf46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BCFBE2D9-BCD8-4776-B5E7-C4396BD5CA6F@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi,

We know about this. Unfortunately, the seasidehosting web interface  
only allows for one url mapping per application.

Cheers,
Doru

On 23 Apr 2009, at 11:36, Matthias Berth wrote:

> BTW: piercms.com goes to the seasidehosting main page (at least for
> me), www.piercms.com goes to the expected page...
>
> Matthias
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>>> http://limi.net/articles/simplifying-plone/simplify-plones-editing-experience
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this. Looks really interesting to see in what
>> directions they are going.
>>
>> For those that do not know: SmallWiki, the predecessor of Pier, was
>> essentially written because I got annoyed with Zope/Plone ;-)
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"It's not what we do that matters most, it's how we do it."


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 22:52:46 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:46 -0100
Subject: Post Ticker
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904231352y2dced75dt11e657bd4b731183@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks!

I have a simple question with the Post Ticker. With the edit command, I can
specify the source. In my case, I have this: "/Blog de algo de turismo"
which is a simple blog. However, in my web I have more than one blog and I
would like the Post Ticker to show new posts  not from a particular blog but
for any of them. Is this possible ?

Thanks

Mariano
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From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 23:14:41 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:14:41 +0200
Subject: Post Ticker
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904231352y2dced75dt11e657bd4b731183@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904231352y2dced75dt11e657bd4b731183@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904231414i15931886rce3f0a4a14902216@mail.gmail.com>

> I have a simple question with the Post Ticker. With the edit command, I can
> specify the source. In my case, I have this: "/Blog de algo de turismo"
> which is a simple blog. However, in my web I have more than one blog and I
> would like the Post Ticker to show new posts? not from a particular blog but
> for any of them. Is this possible ?

The current implementation only displays a single blog, but I am sure
you could change or subclass it to get multiple blogs aggregated.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 23:17:20 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:17:20 -0100
Subject: Post Ticker
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904231414i15931886rce3f0a4a14902216@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904231352y2dced75dt11e657bd4b731183@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904231414i15931886rce3f0a4a14902216@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904231417u49d617aenf7c894b2074d422b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I have a simple question with the Post Ticker. With the edit command, I
> can
> > specify the source. In my case, I have this: "/Blog de algo de turismo"
> > which is a simple blog. However, in my web I have more than one blog and
> I
> > would like the Post Ticker to show new posts  not from a particular blog
> but
> > for any of them. Is this possible ?
>
> The current implementation only displays a single blog, but I am sure
> you could change or subclass it to get multiple blogs aggregated.
>

I will do it then and if it works ok and someone give the a feedback I can
add it to MC.

Thanks,

Mariano


>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 22:13:47 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:13:47 -0100
Subject: Google Webmaster tools + sitemap.xml
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904241313s45a951fck67ae7d131bc397f3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks. I am developing website which I need google index it quite fast. I
want to use Google Webmaster tools and I was wondering if Pier can help me
with the sitemap.xml.

Is this possible ?

Thanks!

Mariano
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From renggli at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 22:21:51 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:21:51 +0200
Subject: Google Webmaster tools + sitemap.xml
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904241313s45a951fck67ae7d131bc397f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904241313s45a951fck67ae7d131bc397f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904241321h7ff163b1gf20ee457cb4d1582@mail.gmail.com>

> Hi folks. I am developing website which I need google index it quite fast. I
> want to use Google Webmaster tools and I was wondering if Pier can help me
> with the sitemap.xml.
>
> Is this possible ?

There is the Sitemap package in
<http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons>. However I made the
experience that using it does not help much. Out of the box, Pier
sites are perfectly indexed by Google. Recent versions for example
define the canonical URL for all pages (http://tinyurl.com/b9saag).

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 22:34:34 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:34:34 -0100
Subject: Google Webmaster tools + sitemap.xml
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904241321h7ff163b1gf20ee457cb4d1582@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904241313s45a951fck67ae7d131bc397f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904241321h7ff163b1gf20ee457cb4d1582@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904241334l617b1cd3ief2cb8a9f5403d1b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hi folks. I am developing website which I need google index it quite
> fast. I
> > want to use Google Webmaster tools and I was wondering if Pier can help
> me
> > with the sitemap.xml.
> >
> > Is this possible ?
>
> There is the Sitemap package in
> <http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons>. However I made the
> experience that using it does not help much.


Ok. I will take a look anyway.


> Out of the box, Pier
> sites are perfectly indexed by Google. Recent versions for example
> define the canonical URL for all pages (http://tinyurl.com/b9saag).
>

Nice. This is very important for me, so, this is a good notice.


>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From cdrick65 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 14:36:56 2009
From: cdrick65 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q8OpZHJpY2sgQsOpbGVy?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:36:56 +0200
Subject: Google Webmaster tools + sitemap.xml
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904241334l617b1cd3ief2cb8a9f5403d1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904241313s45a951fck67ae7d131bc397f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904241321h7ff163b1gf20ee457cb4d1582@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904241334l617b1cd3ief2cb8a9f5403d1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a49ceb00904250536n8e1bedeha3d82841dddd20c3@mail.gmail.com>

yes it works nicely.

Advantage of the sitemap I guess is you can check how the bot see your
site's url (see if there are problems). Also the bot is crawling
earlier I guess.

If you use seaside hosting though, you have to remove the /seaside
from the path (from the app config interface).

Cheers,

C?drick

2009/4/24 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com>:
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi folks. I am developing website which I need google index it quite
>> > fast. I
>> > want to use Google Webmaster tools and I was wondering if Pier can help
>> > me
>> > with the sitemap.xml.
>> >
>> > Is this possible ?
>>
>> There is the Sitemap package in
>> <http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons>. However I made the
>> experience that using it does not help much.
>
> Ok. I will take a look anyway.
>
>>
>> Out of the box, Pier
>> sites are perfectly indexed by Google. Recent versions for example
>> define the canonical URL for all pages (http://tinyurl.com/b9saag).
>
> Nice. This is very important for me, so, this is a good notice.
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Lukas
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
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From petton.nicolas at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 11:17:26 2009
From: petton.nicolas at gmail.com (nico)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:17:26 +0200
Subject: Magritte-ROE for gst?
Message-ID: <1240737446.4471.22.camel@kiwi>

Hi, 

I would like to port Magritte-roe for gst. 

Before I start, I would like to know if there are any dependencies to
PostgreSQL.

I know roe only works with PGsql on squeak, but the gst version has
support for other sqls. I saw some 'pg_*' in the sql requests, but as I
don't know PGsql, I don't know if that matters.

Cheers!

Nicolas
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From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 11:58:15 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:58:15 +0200
Subject: Magritte-ROE for gst?
In-Reply-To: <1240737446.4471.22.camel@kiwi>
References: <1240737446.4471.22.camel@kiwi>
Message-ID: <67628d690904260258m58cc1581kb50e2ec13d6867bb@mail.gmail.com>

> Before I start, I would like to know if there are any dependencies to
> PostgreSQL.

It looks like Magritte-ROE has some hardcoded PostgreSQL dependencies.
However since the package is really minimal, only 3 classes and a few
methods it shouldn't be hard to change. I only put that together to
quickly dump and load some objects into a database that were Magritte
described, it does not do anything sophisticated.

> I know roe only works with PGsql on squeak, but the gst version has
> support for other sqls. I saw some 'pg_*' in the sql requests, but as I
> don't know PGsql, I don't know if that matters.

Yeah, these are the meta-tables of PostgreSQL that describe the schema.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From petton.nicolas at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 12:03:52 2009
From: petton.nicolas at gmail.com (nico)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:03:52 +0200
Subject: Magritte-ROE for gst?
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904260258m58cc1581kb50e2ec13d6867bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1240737446.4471.22.camel@kiwi>
	<67628d690904260258m58cc1581kb50e2ec13d6867bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1240740232.4471.35.camel@kiwi>

Le dimanche 26 avril 2009 ? 11:58 +0200, Lukas Renggli a ?crit :
> > Before I start, I would like to know if there are any dependencies to
> > PostgreSQL.
> 
> It looks like Magritte-ROE has some hardcoded PostgreSQL dependencies.
> However since the package is really minimal, only 3 classes and a few
> methods it shouldn't be hard to change. I only put that together to
> quickly dump and load some objects into a database that were Magritte
> described, it does not do anything sophisticated.

Does it mean that there are known limitations? If so, should I consider
using another Magritte extension to use it with SQL?

Nicolas
> 
> > I know roe only works with PGsql on squeak, but the gst version has
> > support for other sqls. I saw some 'pg_*' in the sql requests, but as I
> > don't know PGsql, I don't know if that matters.
> 
> Yeah, these are the meta-tables of PostgreSQL that describe the schema.
> 
> Lukas
> 
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From renggli at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 12:25:22 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:25:22 +0200
Subject: Magritte-ROE for gst?
In-Reply-To: <1240740232.4471.35.camel@kiwi>
References: <1240737446.4471.22.camel@kiwi>
	<67628d690904260258m58cc1581kb50e2ec13d6867bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1240740232.4471.35.camel@kiwi>
Message-ID: <67628d690904260325h4bf00551s4829049d94fb60a4@mail.gmail.com>

> Does it mean that there are known limitations? If so, should I consider
> using another Magritte extension to use it with SQL?

Magritte-ROE was designed (or rather quickly put together) for a
particular use-case (Magritte objects should be read from and dumped
into a PostgreSQL). When I wrote it, I did not have the time to do
anything more than I needed.

So what I am trying to say is that Magritte-ROE might not work for
your requirements, but it should be fairly easy to adapt to about
anything ;-)

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 01:28:44 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:28:44 -0300
Subject: Pier Blog Rol component ?
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904261628t7dc6b854r3d8020f20ddc9778@mail.gmail.com>

Hi people!

I was wondering if there is somewhere a Blog Roll addon.

See  for example, this link (at the right of the page)

http://www.jonathancrossland.com/page/Guide-for-Building-Frameworks.aspx

Cheers,

Mariano
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From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 08:05:35 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:05:35 +0200
Subject: Pier Blog Rol component ?
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904261628t7dc6b854r3d8020f20ddc9778@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904261628t7dc6b854r3d8020f20ddc9778@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904262305h6af771fbw3f0a633a2037a054@mail.gmail.com>

> I was wondering if there is somewhere a Blog Roll addon.

http://www.seaside.st/ displays an aggregation of different blogs in
the news section. To group the news by blog (and not by time as it
currently does) you would need to create a subclass or change the code
a bit, but that shouldn't be difficult.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 14:33:39 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:33:39 -0100
Subject: Internacionalizationin Pier
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904270533l9ffe9f1o3e5b185f29463280@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I have a couple of questions about Internacionalization in Pier. I am
developing a website and I would love it can have multiple languages
(spanish, english, and so on). My "final user" is able to add posts or leave
comments for example. So, I see two thinks I should care:

1) Pier comments: can this support multilanguage ? For pier components I
refer to the html output of the components. For example, when you add a
post, you have: "title", "author", etc...

2) My own page text. I have several pages with text. Which is the best
approach to support multilanguage for this ?

Any tip is welcome.

Cheers,

Mariano
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 14:36:39 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:36:39 -0100
Subject: Posts Authorization
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I am developing a website where the final user can post. However, I (or the
rest of the webmasters) would like this post not to be publish inmediatly
but it requieres my Authorization. I see that a post is publish if I put a
publish date.

Can I set custom permissions to the "publish" command ?

What I tought is that perhaps I can subclass PRBlog and this one DOESN'T
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 14:39:41 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:39:41 -0100
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry....gmail shortcuts...


Hi!

I am developing a website where the final user can post. However, I (or the
rest of the webmasters) would like this post not to be publish immediately
because it requires my Authorization. I see that a post is publish if I put
a publish date.

Can I set custom permissions to the "publish" command ?

What I tough is that perhaps I can subclass PRBlog and this one DOESN'T add
the output the "Publish". Then, I can have a report somewhere that can be
only accesses by the admin, that lists all the posts that doesn't have a
publish date, and let me put them a publish date (an the published).

Can this be a good idea?

Thanks in advance,

Mariano




On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am developing a website where the final user can post. However, I (or the
> rest of the webmasters) would like this post not to be publish inmediatly
> but it requieres my Authorization. I see that a post is publish if I put a
> publish date.
>
> Can I set custom permissions to the "publish" command ?
>
> What I tought is that perhaps I can subclass PRBlog and this one DOESN'T
>
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From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 18:46:55 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:46:55 +0200
Subject: Internacionalizationin Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904270533l9ffe9f1o3e5b185f29463280@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270533l9ffe9f1o3e5b185f29463280@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904270946l2d2c197doe9461aca4637bce9@mail.gmail.com>

I don't quite get what you want? ;-)

Pier and Seaside support multiple languages in a single page, see for
example the comments in this post:
<http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/studenckifestwal>, so the text you
enter can be any language you want.

Pier does not have a user interface adapted to multiple languages. It
is all in english.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 18:48:28 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:48:28 +0200
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>

> What I tough is that perhaps I can subclass PRBlog and this one DOESN'T add
> the output the "Publish". Then, I can have a report somewhere that can be
> only accesses by the admin, that lists all the posts that doesn't have a
> publish date, and let me put them a publish date (an the published).
>
> Can this be a good idea?

Yeah, that's exactly what I would have suggested.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 18:52:17 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:52:17 +0100
Subject: Renderer
In-Reply-To: <49EF7CFE.9030005@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <49EF7CFE.9030005@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49F5E2C1.7070709@yahoo.co.uk>

Keith Hodges wrote:
> Lukas,
>
> I am trying to get my head around what is happening to the renderer.
>
>   
Yes I can confirm that the new renderer approach is showing itself to be
a pain. How can I find out what is the current pier root component.

Previously I was able to do...

aCommand context renderer component

I think I may add it as a property to the context when it is created.

Keith


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 19:45:56 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:45:56 -0100
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > What I tough is that perhaps I can subclass PRBlog and this one DOESN'T
> add
> > the output the "Publish". Then, I can have a report somewhere that can be
> > only accesses by the admin, that lists all the posts that doesn't have a
> > publish date, and let me put them a publish date (an the published).
> >
> > Can this be a good idea?
>
> Yeah, that's exactly what I would have suggested.
>

Ok. Perfect. So, this is what I will do then.

What about adding a new command "publish post" or something like this and
being able to set this in "change owner" and "change group" ?

I mean, it would be very nice that a PRPost show the publish or not,
depending if the user has access to the "publish post" action or similar.

However, I think this is more complicated. Isn't it ?

Thanks!

Mariano



>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 20:01:31 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:01:31 -0100
Subject: Internacionalizationin Pier
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904270946l2d2c197doe9461aca4637bce9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270533l9ffe9f1o3e5b185f29463280@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270946l2d2c197doe9461aca4637bce9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904271101j1cd4a71q1ca93b65edc78a72@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't quite get what you want? ;-)
>

Sorry, it's my english ;)


>
> Pier and Seaside support multiple languages in a single page, see for
> example the comments in this post:
> <http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/studenckifestwal>, so the text you
> enter can be any language you want.
>

No. I think you didn't understand me. I have a complete Pier site and I
would like o change the language. Imagine a country flag where you can click
in your flag and this changes all the text of the pages to that language. I
imagine how I can do this with seaside, but I don't in Pier since the text
is put in the page. How can I changed then ? Having a structure per language
?


>
> Pier does not have a user interface adapted to multiple languages. It
> is all in english.
>

Ok. This was my 1) question :)   Is this planned for a future ?

Thanks for the help,

Mariano


>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 20:01:45 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:01:45 +0200
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>

>> Yeah, that's exactly what I would have suggested.
>
> Ok. Perfect. So, this is what I will do then.
>
> What about adding a new command "publish post" or something like this and
> being able to set this in "change owner" and "change group" ?
>
> I mean, it would be very nice that a PRPost show the publish or not,
> depending if the user has access to the "publish post" action or similar.
>
> However, I think this is more complicated. Isn't it ?\

Yeah, that's probably more complicated.

The yet simplest solution is to subclass PBBlog and override
#description. If the current user is not an admin user
(PRCurrentContext value user), you filter the publication date field.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 20:35:42 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:35:42 +0200
Subject: Internacionalizationin Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904271101j1cd4a71q1ca93b65edc78a72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270533l9ffe9f1o3e5b185f29463280@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270946l2d2c197doe9461aca4637bce9@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271101j1cd4a71q1ca93b65edc78a72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904271135g69cdca8av335767f1efc87c6c@mail.gmail.com>

> No. I think you didn't understand me. I have a complete Pier site and I
> would like o change the language. Imagine a country flag where you can click
> in your flag and this changes all the text of the pages to that language. I
> imagine how I can do this with seaside, but I don't in Pier since the text
> is put in the page. How can I changed then ? Having a structure per language
> ?

Yeah, I suggest to create a different structures for different languages.

>> Pier does not have a user interface adapted to multiple languages. It
>> is all in english.
>
> Ok. This was my 1) question :)?? Is this planned for a future ?

It is not planned, but it would certainly be a cool thing to have.
Also in the context of Seaside, not necessarily just for Pier and
Magritte.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 20:42:37 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:42:37 -0100
Subject: Internacionalizationin Pier
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904271135g69cdca8av335767f1efc87c6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270533l9ffe9f1o3e5b185f29463280@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270946l2d2c197doe9461aca4637bce9@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271101j1cd4a71q1ca93b65edc78a72@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271135g69cdca8av335767f1efc87c6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904271142x227cef30j9d864410224a83d1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > No. I think you didn't understand me. I have a complete Pier site and I
> > would like o change the language. Imagine a country flag where you can
> click
> > in your flag and this changes all the text of the pages to that language.
> I
> > imagine how I can do this with seaside, but I don't in Pier since the
> text
> > is put in the page. How can I changed then ? Having a structure per
> language
> > ?
>
> Yeah, I suggest to create a different structures for different languages.
>

Ok. I will then take a look to see how can I do this. Thanks!


>
> >> Pier does not have a user interface adapted to multiple languages. It
> >> is all in english.
> >
> > Ok. This was my 1) question :)   Is this planned for a future ?
>
> It is not planned, but it would certainly be a cool thing to have.
> Also in the context of Seaside, not necessarily just for Pier and
> Magritte.
>

Yes. However, I think it is more important for Pier. All of us (who work as
programmer or similar) know English. But, the final user of the application,
may not. In my case, and I imagine it could be something common, the final
user of my app has access to the Pier UI. For example to post, leave
comments, and so on. But, the final user won't have access to Seaside or
Magritte UI.

Cheers,

Mariano


> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Apr 28 00:55:03 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:55:03 +0100
Subject: Report Sorter
Message-ID: <49F637C7.3040407@yahoo.co.uk>

Hello Lukas,

Is the report column sorter supposed to be able to handle nil values?

This code (below) looks like it is trying to be tolerant But what if

one= 'string'.
two = nil.

thanks in advance

Keith

====
sort: aFirstObject and: aSecondObject
    | one two |
    one := self valueFor: aFirstObject.
    two := self valueFor: aSecondObject.
    (one respondsTo: #<=) ifFalse: [
        one := self formatter value: one.
        two := self formatter value: two ].
    ^ one <= two


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 02:31:54 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:31:54 -0300
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Yeah, that's exactly what I would have suggested.
> >
> > Ok. Perfect. So, this is what I will do then.
> >
> > What about adding a new command "publish post" or something like this and
> > being able to set this in "change owner" and "change group" ?
> >
> > I mean, it would be very nice that a PRPost show the publish or not,
> > depending if the user has access to the "publish post" action or similar.
> >
> > However, I think this is more complicated. Isn't it ?\
>
> Yeah, that's probably more complicated.
>
> The yet simplest solution is to subclass PBBlog and override
> #description. If the current user is not an admin user
> (PRCurrentContext value user), you filter the publication date field.
>

Lukas: Thanks! I start doing this. However I was having a problem. Till now
I always use a 'admin' user that has a 'admin' group.
I created a new group called "finalUser". I create a user called "mariano"
with that group. I went to "change group" with my admin user
and recursively I add "add comment" and "PRPost" permissions for the group
"finalUser".

The problem is that I then try to login with "mariano" and I get this error:
"    Error: you are forbidden to access "/seaside/pier""

The error is quite descriptive, but I don't know how to give "mariano" the
correct access.

Thanks for the help.

Mariano


>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 03:03:58 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:03:58 -0300
Subject: Link for adding a new post
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904271803l5070e866p4fe7dc526204d1b2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi people!

I was wondering if I can do what I need to do.  When you create a Post (add
command inside a blog) you are ask first which type to ask and a name. You
can put "zaraza post" as name and type "Post". Then you go to another page
(second one) where you put all the information of the post (included the
name again ("zaraza post" in this case)).

Suppose you have a pier site and the final user can add posts (not create
the blogs, just post). I would really love to have a link that says "click
here to post" or something like that. In this case, the type we ALWAYS be
"Post". And as the title is asked again in the second page, I ask: is there
a way that from a simple link I simulate an add of a Post type and this goes
directly to the second page ?
In other words...if there is only one "type" option, can I skip this step
and go to the seconds step ?

I think this email was very confusing, sorry.

Thanks in advance,

Mariano
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 03:10:57 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:10:57 -0300
Subject: [OT] record my desktop + vimeo + pier
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904271810u5ba90c5bt42d2e24c38209979@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks (Tudor ?)

I saw all of your videos in pier cms blog and they are very useful for me.
Because of that, I thought I could copy the idea and do some videos
explaining how to do certain things in my site. This will be for the final
users. Could you explain me a bit the steps you do ?

I guess something like this:

1) Record your desktop with a program. It could be recordMyDesktop (in
linux). Any format in particular ? resolution ?

2) update it to vimeo

3) embbed this video in a Pier page.

Thanks a lot for the tips you can give me.

Cheers,

Mariano
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From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Apr 28 07:01:29 2009
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:01:29 +0200
Subject: [OT] record my desktop + vimeo + pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904271810u5ba90c5bt42d2e24c38209979@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904271810u5ba90c5bt42d2e24c38209979@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2D85FB0-AF74-41B0-B60C-DCE7D489B086@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi,

> I saw all of your videos in pier cms blog and they are very useful  
> for me. Because of that, I thought I could copy the idea and do some  
> videos explaining how to do certain things in my site. This will be  
> for the final users. Could you explain me a bit the steps you do ?
>
> I guess something like this:
>
> 1) Record your desktop with a program. It could be recordMyDesktop  
> (in linux). Any format in particular ? resolution ?

Vimeo supports the following formats:
asf, asx, avi, divx, dv, dvx, m4v, mov, mp4, mpeg, mpg, qt, wmv, 3g2,  
3gp, 3ivx and 3vx

More details on the suggested codecs:
http://www.vimeo.com/help/compression

> 2) update it to vimeo

http://www.vimeo.com/upload/video

> 3) embbed this video in a Pier page.

After uploading the video you will get the html code for embedding the  
video.

Cheers,
Doru

> Thanks a lot for the tips you can give me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mariano
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"It's not how it is, it is how we see it."


From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 10:14:13 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:14:13 +0200
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904280114i7622e3c8of7dc71065e3c8b2e@mail.gmail.com>

>> Yeah, that's probably more complicated.
>>
>> The yet simplest solution is to subclass PBBlog and override
>> #description. If the current user is not an admin user
>> (PRCurrentContext value user), you filter the publication date field.
>
> Lukas: Thanks! I start doing this. However I was having a problem. Till now
> I always use a 'admin' user that has a 'admin' group.
> I created a new group called "finalUser". I create a user called "mariano"
> with that group. I went to "change group" with my admin user
> and recursively I add "add comment" and "PRPost" permissions for the group
> "finalUser".

I tried to reproduce that, but it works for me. Did you give the view
permissions?

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 14:41:54 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:41:54 -0100
Subject: [OT] record my desktop + vimeo + pier
In-Reply-To: <F2D85FB0-AF74-41B0-B60C-DCE7D489B086@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <a38fadc50904271810u5ba90c5bt42d2e24c38209979@mail.gmail.com>
	<F2D85FB0-AF74-41B0-B60C-DCE7D489B086@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904280541u135e1334p128a56e6deee9c6c@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent! I will do some videos then!

Thanks a lot for the tips.

Mariano

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  I saw all of your videos in pier cms blog and they are very useful for me.
>> Because of that, I thought I could copy the idea and do some videos
>> explaining how to do certain things in my site. This will be for the final
>> users. Could you explain me a bit the steps you do ?
>>
>> I guess something like this:
>>
>> 1) Record your desktop with a program. It could be recordMyDesktop (in
>> linux). Any format in particular ? resolution ?
>>
>
> Vimeo supports the following formats:
> asf, asx, avi, divx, dv, dvx, m4v, mov, mp4, mpeg, mpg, qt, wmv, 3g2, 3gp,
> 3ivx and 3vx
>
> More details on the suggested codecs:
> http://www.vimeo.com/help/compression
>
>  2) update it to vimeo
>>
>
> http://www.vimeo.com/upload/video
>
>  3) embbed this video in a Pier page.
>>
>
> After uploading the video you will get the html code for embedding the
> video.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>  Thanks a lot for the tips you can give me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mariano
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "It's not how it is, it is how we see it."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 14:59:46 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:59:46 -0100
Subject: Automatic index generation
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904280559u35bda8bao95538d437e33a5c2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi people!

Yes, I know, I am sending lots of mails, but I have several questions hahah.

Suppose I have a long page and I use "!", "!!" and "!!!" all over the page.
Is there a way of autogenerating an index with links above the page?

Thanks!

Mariano
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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 15:07:46 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:07:46 +0200
Subject: Automatic index generation
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904280559u35bda8bao95538d437e33a5c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904280559u35bda8bao95538d437e33a5c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904280607j3c85c205k3e201d0edc03d526@mail.gmail.com>

Put the following snipped at the top of the page:

      +value:toc+

Cheers,
Lukas

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
<marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi people!
>
> Yes, I know, I am sending lots of mails, but I have several questions hahah.
>
> Suppose I have a long page and I use "!", "!!" and "!!!" all over the page.
> Is there a way of autogenerating an index with links above the page?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mariano
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 15:18:26 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:18:26 -0100
Subject: Automatic index generation
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904280607j3c85c205k3e201d0edc03d526@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904280559u35bda8bao95538d437e33a5c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280607j3c85c205k3e201d0edc03d526@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904280618s1795f7eev40be08d9637e858d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Put the following snipped at the top of the page:
>
>      +value:toc+
>

Men, you are greate. Thanks!!!


>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
> <marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi people!
> >
> > Yes, I know, I am sending lots of mails, but I have several questions
> hahah.
> >
> > Suppose I have a long page and I use "!", "!!" and "!!!" all over the
> page.
> > Is there a way of autogenerating an index with links above the page?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Mariano
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 16:16:46 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:16:46 +0200
Subject: Automatic index generation
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904280618s1795f7eev40be08d9637e858d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904280559u35bda8bao95538d437e33a5c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280607j3c85c205k3e201d0edc03d526@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904280618s1795f7eev40be08d9637e858d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904280716m59e95331t5bb64f5b73ad3ab1@mail.gmail.com>

>> Put the following snipped at the top of the page:
>>
>> ? ? ?+value:toc+
>
> Men, you are greate. Thanks!!!

These value links are pretty powerful and still safe for a public
wiki, unlike the dangerous [ smalltalk code ] constructs we had in
SmallWiki. I should probably soon write a blog post about these new
kind of link, but I am not yet 100% sure about all their exact
semantics. So consider this as experimental, some things might change.

To get a list of all supported values add the link +value:values+, or
check the syntax page.

Cheers,
Lukas





>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Lukas
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
>> <marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi people!
>> >
>> > Yes, I know, I am sending lots of mails, but I have several questions
>> > hahah.
>> >
>> > Suppose I have a long page and I use "!", "!!" and "!!!" all over the
>> > page.
>> > Is there a way of autogenerating an index with links above the page?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Mariano
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 03:51:16 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck:   "si,
	y no es gripe gordito..." )
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:51:16 -0300
Subject: Automatic index generation
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904280716m59e95331t5bb64f5b73ad3ab1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904280559u35bda8bao95538d437e33a5c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280607j3c85c205k3e201d0edc03d526@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904280618s1795f7eev40be08d9637e858d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280716m59e95331t5bb64f5b73ad3ab1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904281851l67087043y23c3d9d503d7b036@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Put the following snipped at the top of the page:
> >>
> >>      +value:toc+
> >
> > Men, you are greate. Thanks!!!
>
> These value links are pretty powerful and still safe for a public
> wiki, unlike the dangerous [ smalltalk code ] constructs we had in
> SmallWiki. I should probably soon write a blog post about these new
> kind of link, but I am not yet 100% sure about all their exact
> semantics. So consider this as experimental, some things might change.
>

Ok, don't worry.


>
> To get a list of all supported values add the link +value:values+, or
> check the syntax page.
>

Thanks!


>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Lukas
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
> >> <marianopeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi people!
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I know, I am sending lots of mails, but I have several questions
> >> > hahah.
> >> >
> >> > Suppose I have a long page and I use "!", "!!" and "!!!" all over the
> >> > page.
> >> > Is there a way of autogenerating an index with links above the page?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Mariano
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lukas Renggli
> >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From chaetal at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 08:08:51 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:08:51 +0400
Subject: Speed issue
Message-ID: <84f77e270904282308p599ccb6bn4f073e538d74954f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello...

We are trying to build a site using Pier. Recently we migrated to
pharo0.1-10268web09.04.1. Previously we used something like Pier 1.1 with
some updates. We found new version a bit slower on our computers. It was not
a big problem. But we have to use an old notebook for entering data to our
site. And there we've got about a minute delay after structure addition. I
found the cause is in

PRChangeCommand >> updateRoot:

There a big string is being built started with "EditorEnh.linkOptions=". In
our case it's size is 207328. Then it's being modified by copyReplaceAll:
'"' with: '\"' . On old notebook it's very slow. I replaces that
#copyReplaceAll:with: with (sorry for the tautology) streaming. Now it takes
about 10 seconds instead of a minute. But still it's too slow (10 -- 15
seconds was a time to enter the whole data item in old image). Can this
issue be fixed somehow?

TIA

Btw, is issues with filenames (I've asked about some time ago) fixed?


-- 
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From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 08:41:45 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:41:45 +0200
Subject: Speed issue
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904282308p599ccb6bn4f073e538d74954f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904282308p599ccb6bn4f073e538d74954f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904282341r8cab916ma77a5d8ecb24097@mail.gmail.com>

> PRChangeCommand >> updateRoot:
>
> There a big string is being built started with "EditorEnh.linkOptions=". In
> our case it's size is 207328. Then it's being modified by copyReplaceAll:
> '"' with: '\"' . On old notebook it's very slow. I replaces that
> #copyReplaceAll:with: with (sorry for the tautology) streaming. Now it takes
> about 10 seconds instead of a minute. But still it's too slow (10 -- 15
> seconds was a time to enter the whole data item in old image). Can this
> issue be fixed somehow?

This code creates a list of all pages in Pier, so that the toolbar is
able to offer you a menu with all the possible pages. For a large Pier
installation that list can become large, that's a problem. I'll look
into this, maybe it would be better to dynamically request that list
or only fill it with commonly used links?

In the meantime I suggest that you don't use Pier-EditorEnh (or
uncomment the part that creates the list of all pages).

> Btw, is issues with filenames (I've asked about some time ago) fixed?

There are still a couple of issues in some cases. I've committed
various improvements, but I don't know what you are exactly referring
to?

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From chaetal at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 08:57:32 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:57:32 +0400
Subject: Speed issue
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904282341r8cab916ma77a5d8ecb24097@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904282308p599ccb6bn4f073e538d74954f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904282341r8cab916ma77a5d8ecb24097@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84f77e270904282357s24c55921xcb6620b33127f892@mail.gmail.com>

>
> In the meantime I suggest that you don't use Pier-EditorEnh (or
> uncomment the part that creates the list of all pages).
>

Sorry, I'm not sure how to do it. Should it be unloaded or just
"switched-off" somehow?
And the second option says absolutely nothing for me --- where to uncomment
that?


> > Btw, is issues with filenames (I've asked about some time ago) fixed?
>
> There are still a couple of issues in some cases. I've committed
> various improvements, but I don't know what you are exactly referring
> to?
>

Did not check it yet.  Thank you for your work! :)

-- 
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From akellens at vub.ac.be  Wed Apr 29 10:11:42 2009
From: akellens at vub.ac.be (Andy Kellens)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:11:42 +0200
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
Message-ID: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>

Hello,

I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system  
stopped saving the changes persistently to the image.
After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to  
reproduce the problem:
	- I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a previous  
1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
	- I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages: 3) as  
the persistency scheme
	- I start changing the wiki
	- The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new images +  
changes files
	- When the third backup should be made, I get an error: pier.image  
not found
	- I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar error:  
Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
	- I checked: both files are where they should be

Kind regards,

Andy


From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 10:31:04 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:31:04 +0200
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
Message-ID: <67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>

We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.

Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you run
the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
limited write access.

Lukas

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system stopped
> saving the changes persistently to the image.
> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to reproduce
> the problem:
> ? ? ? ?- I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a previous
> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
> ? ? ? ?- I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages: 3) as
> the persistency scheme
> ? ? ? ?- I start changing the wiki
> ? ? ? ?- The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new images +
> changes files
> ? ? ? ?- When the third backup should be made, I get an error: pier.image
> not found
> ? ? ? ?- I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar error:
> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
> ? ? ? ?- I checked: both files are where they should be
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From chaetal at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 10:31:30 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:31:30 +0400
Subject: Speed issue
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904282357s24c55921xcb6620b33127f892@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904282308p599ccb6bn4f073e538d74954f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<67628d690904282341r8cab916ma77a5d8ecb24097@mail.gmail.com> 
	<84f77e270904282357s24c55921xcb6620b33127f892@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84f77e270904290131u2ddbb07ah5099ebd90b0ff72f@mail.gmail.com>

>
> In the meantime I suggest that you don't use Pier-EditorEnh (or
>> uncomment the part that creates the list of all pages).
>>
>
> Sorry, I'm not sure how to do it. Should it be unloaded or just
> "switched-off" somehow?
> And the second option says absolutely nothing for me --- where to uncomment
> that?
>

I commented the part generating "EditorEnh.linkOptions". Think that was what
you mean...
It seems to work on my notebook and seems to be faster... Later will check
it on the old  (and slow) computer. \
Thanks

-- 
Dennis Schetinin
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From akellens at vub.ac.be  Wed Apr 29 10:39:15 2009
From: akellens at vub.ac.be (Andy Kellens)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:39:15 +0200
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>

I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app directory.

Kind regards,

Andy

On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>
> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you run
> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
> limited write access.
>
> Lukas
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
>> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system  
>> stopped
>> saving the changes persistently to the image.
>> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to  
>> reproduce
>> the problem:
>>        - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a  
>> previous
>> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>>        - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes;  
>> maxImages: 3) as
>> the persistency scheme
>>        - I start changing the wiki
>>        - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new  
>> images +
>> changes files
>>        - When the third backup should be made, I get an error:  
>> pier.image
>> not found
>>        - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar  
>> error:
>> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>>        - I checked: both files are where they should be
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 11:10:35 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:10:35 +0200
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
Message-ID: <67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>

Can you post a full stack trace?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
> I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app directory.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andy
>
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>> We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>>
>> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you run
>> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
>> limited write access.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
>>> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system stopped
>>> saving the changes persistently to the image.
>>> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to reproduce
>>> the problem:
>>> ? ? ? - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a
>>> previous
>>> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>>> ? ? ? - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages: 3)
>>> as
>>> the persistency scheme
>>> ? ? ? - I start changing the wiki
>>> ? ? ? - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new images +
>>> changes files
>>> ? ? ? - When the third backup should be made, I get an error: pier.image
>>> not found
>>> ? ? ? - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar error:
>>> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>>> ? ? ? - I checked: both files are where they should be
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From akellens at vub.ac.be  Wed Apr 29 14:28:05 2009
From: akellens at vub.ac.be (Andy Kellens)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:28:05 +0200
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB750053-3628-43CA-A3FB-8C42DB6E6D68@vub.ac.be>

Hi,

I get a pop-up from squeak (see attached screenshot) and I managed to  
see the error, but  I can't open up the actual debugger (the pop-up  
window just keeps appearing).
I have seen that the old image (pier.image and pier.changes) get  
renamed, but apparently the system is not able to create the new  
pier.image and pier.changes.
To be sure, I verified that squeak has write privileges to the correct  
directory.

Cheers,

Andy

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On 29 Apr 2009, at 11:10, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> Can you post a full stack trace?
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
> wrote:
>> I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app directory.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>
>>> We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>>>
>>> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you  
>>> run
>>> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
>>> limited write access.
>>>
>>> Lukas
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens  
>>> <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
>>>> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system  
>>>> stopped
>>>> saving the changes persistently to the image.
>>>> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to  
>>>> reproduce
>>>> the problem:
>>>>       - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a
>>>> previous
>>>> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>>>>       - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes;  
>>>> maxImages: 3)
>>>> as
>>>> the persistency scheme
>>>>       - I start changing the wiki
>>>>       - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new  
>>>> images +
>>>> changes files
>>>>       - When the third backup should be made, I get an error:  
>>>> pier.image
>>>> not found
>>>>       - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a  
>>>> similar error:
>>>> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>>>>       - I checked: both files are where they should be
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lukas Renggli
>>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 15:48:44 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck:   "si,
	y no es gripe gordito..." )
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:48:44 -0100
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <DB750053-3628-43CA-A3FB-8C42DB6E6D68@vub.ac.be>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB750053-3628-43CA-A3FB-8C42DB6E6D68@vub.ac.be>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904290648j6517d822mba9da827b5fbced2@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps SqueakDebug.log (it should be where the image is) can give you more
information.

Cheers,

Mariano

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I get a pop-up from squeak (see attached screenshot) and I managed to see
> the error, but  I can't open up the actual debugger (the pop-up window just
> keeps appearing).
> I have seen that the old image (pier.image and pier.changes) get renamed,
> but apparently the system is not able to create the new pier.image and
> pier.changes.
> To be sure, I verified that squeak has write privileges to the correct
> directory.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 11:10, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>  Can you post a full stack trace?
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app directory.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>>
>>>  We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you run
>>>> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
>>>> limited write access.
>>>>
>>>> Lukas
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
>>>>> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system stopped
>>>>> saving the changes persistently to the image.
>>>>> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to
>>>>> reproduce
>>>>> the problem:
>>>>>      - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a
>>>>> previous
>>>>> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>>>>>      - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages: 3)
>>>>> as
>>>>> the persistency scheme
>>>>>      - I start changing the wiki
>>>>>      - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new images
>>>>> +
>>>>> changes files
>>>>>      - When the third backup should be made, I get an error: pier.image
>>>>> not found
>>>>>      - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar
>>>>> error:
>>>>> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>>>>>      - I checked: both files are where they should be
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lukas Renggli
>>>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Wed Apr 29 15:54:01 2009
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:54:01 +0200
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904290648j6517d822mba9da827b5fbced2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB750053-3628-43CA-A3FB-8C42DB6E6D68@vub.ac.be>
	<a38fadc50904290648j6517d822mba9da827b5fbced2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B46D5D8C-12CC-42C4-8A8C-461ABF8E3021@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi Andy,

Do you have enough harddisk space?

Cheers,
Doru


On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:48, Mariano Martinez Peck: si, y no es gripe  
gordito... wrote:

> Perhaps SqueakDebug.log (it should be where the image is) can give  
> you more information.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mariano
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I get a pop-up from squeak (see attached screenshot) and I managed  
> to see the error, but  I can't open up the actual debugger (the pop- 
> up window just keeps appearing).
> I have seen that the old image (pier.image and pier.changes) get  
> renamed, but apparently the system is not able to create the new  
> pier.image and pier.changes.
> To be sure, I verified that squeak has write privileges to the  
> correct directory.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 11:10, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
> Can you post a full stack trace?
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
> wrote:
> I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app directory.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andy
>
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
> We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>
> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you run
> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
> limited write access.
>
> Lukas
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system  
> stopped
> saving the changes persistently to the image.
> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to  
> reproduce
> the problem:
>      - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a
> previous
> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>      - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages:  
> 3)
> as
> the persistency scheme
>      - I start changing the wiki
>      - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new  
> images +
> changes files
>      - When the third backup should be made, I get an error:  
> pier.image
> not found
>      - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar  
> error:
> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>      - I checked: both files are where they should be
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Obvious things are difficult to teach."




From akellens at vub.ac.be  Wed Apr 29 16:06:37 2009
From: akellens at vub.ac.be (Andy Kellens)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:06:37 +0200
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <B46D5D8C-12CC-42C4-8A8C-461ABF8E3021@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB750053-3628-43CA-A3FB-8C42DB6E6D68@vub.ac.be>
	<a38fadc50904290648j6517d822mba9da827b5fbced2@mail.gmail.com>
	<B46D5D8C-12CC-42C4-8A8C-461ABF8E3021@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <BAFAFAA0-1F35-4844-A871-399A9177DA20@vub.ac.be>

Hello,

Yes, there is plenty of space left on the server.
Mariano was right: the stack trace could be found in the debug.log.
I added it to the end of this mail.

Kind regards,

Andy

----

Error: attempt to index non-existent element in an ordered collection
29 April 2009 2:21:15 pm

VM: Mac OS - a SmalltalkImage
Image: Pharo0.1 [Latest update: #10213]

SecurityManager state:
Restricted: false
FileAccess: true
SocketAccess: true
Working Dir /Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/Contents/Resources
Trusted Dir /foobar/tooBar/forSqueak/bogus/
Untrusted Dir /foobar/tooBar/forSqueak/bogus/

OrderedCollection(Object)>>error:
	Receiver: an  
OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
	Arguments and temporary variables:
		aString: 	'attempt to index non-existent element in an ordered  
collection'
	Receiver's instance variables:
		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
		firstIndex: 	1
		lastIndex: 	12

OrderedCollection>>errorNoSuchElement
	Receiver: an  
OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
	Arguments and temporary variables:

	Receiver's instance variables:
		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
		firstIndex: 	1
		lastIndex: 	12

OrderedCollection>>at:
	Receiver: an  
OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
	Arguments and temporary variables:
		anInteger: 	0
	Receiver's instance variables:
		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
		firstIndex: 	1
		lastIndex: 	12

StandardFileStream class>>readOnlyFileDoesNotExistUserHandling:
	Receiver: StandardFileStream
	Arguments and temporary variables:
		fullFileName: 	'/Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/Contents/ 
Resources/pier.c...etc...
		dir: 	UnixFileDirectory on '/Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/ 
Contents/Reso...etc...
		files: 	#('debug.log' 'pier.icns' 'pier2009-04-29_14-16-40.image'  
'pier2009-04-2...etc...
		choices: 	an  
OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
'pier_b...etc...
		selection: 	0
		newName: 	nil
		fileName: 	'pier.changes'
	Receiver's instance variables:
		superclass: 	FileStream
		methodDict: 	a MethodDictionary(#actAsExecutor->a CompiledMethod  
(98) #ascii->a ...etc...
		format: 	146
		instanceVariables: 	#('name' 'fileID' 'buffer1')
		organization: 	('access' directory directoryUrl file fullName  
isDirectory localN...etc...
		subclasses: 	{CrLfFileStream. MultiByteFileStream}
		name: 	#StandardFileStream
		classPool: 	a Dictionary(#Registry->a WeakRegistry(<this  
WeakRegistry is locked>...etc...
		sharedPools: 	nil
		environment: 	nil
		category: 	#'Files-Kernel'
		traitComposition: 	nil
		localSelectors: 	nil


--- The full stack ---
OrderedCollection(Object)>>error:
OrderedCollection>>errorNoSuchElement
OrderedCollection>>at:
StandardFileStream class>>readOnlyFileDoesNotExistUserHandling:
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
FileDoesNotExistException>>defaultAction
UndefinedObject>>handleSignal:
MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal:
FileDoesNotExistException(Exception)>>signal
MultiByteFileStream class(StandardFileStream class)>>readOnlyFileNamed:
MultiByteFileStream(StandardFileStream)>>readOnlyCopy
RemoteString>>text
CompiledMethod>>getSourceFromFile
CompiledMethod>>methodNode
Decompiler>>decompileBlock:
BlockContext>>decompile
BlockContext>>printOn:
[] in BlockContext(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo: {[:s | self printOn:  
s]}
String class(SequenceableCollection class)>>streamContents:limitedTo:
BlockContext(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo:
BlockContext(Object)>>printString
[] in OTToolset class>>debug:context:label:contents:fullView:
On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:54, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> Do you have enough harddisk space?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:48, Mariano Martinez Peck: si, y no es gripe  
> gordito... wrote:
>
>> Perhaps SqueakDebug.log (it should be where the image is) can give  
>> you more information.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I get a pop-up from squeak (see attached screenshot) and I managed  
>> to see the error, but  I can't open up the actual debugger (the pop- 
>> up window just keeps appearing).
>> I have seen that the old image (pier.image and pier.changes) get  
>> renamed, but apparently the system is not able to create the new  
>> pier.image and pier.changes.
>> To be sure, I verified that squeak has write privileges to the  
>> correct directory.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 11:10, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>
>> Can you post a full stack trace?
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
>> wrote:
>> I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app directory.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>
>> We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>>
>> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you run
>> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
>> limited write access.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens <akellens at vub.ac.be>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
>> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system  
>> stopped
>> saving the changes persistently to the image.
>> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to  
>> reproduce
>> the problem:
>>     - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a
>> previous
>> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>>     - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages:  
>> 3)
>> as
>> the persistency scheme
>>     - I start changing the wiki
>>     - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new  
>> images +
>> changes files
>>     - When the third backup should be made, I get an error:  
>> pier.image
>> not found
>>     - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar  
>> error:
>> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>>     - I checked: both files are where they should be
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Obvious things are difficult to teach."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 16:56:12 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:56:12 +0200
Subject: Speed issue
In-Reply-To: <84f77e270904290131u2ddbb07ah5099ebd90b0ff72f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904282308p599ccb6bn4f073e538d74954f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904282341r8cab916ma77a5d8ecb24097@mail.gmail.com>
	<84f77e270904282357s24c55921xcb6620b33127f892@mail.gmail.com>
	<84f77e270904290131u2ddbb07ah5099ebd90b0ff72f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904290756g2d908443gc9a007b1d382d0da@mail.gmail.com>

Load the latest EditorEnh, it loads the list of links using AJAX now
and thus so it should be much faster in the normal case.

Lukas

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In the meantime I suggest that you don't use Pier-EditorEnh (or
>>> uncomment the part that creates the list of all pages).
>>
>> Sorry, I'm not sure how to do it. Should it be unloaded or just
>> "switched-off" somehow?
>> And the second option says absolutely nothing for me --- where to
>> uncomment that?
>
> I commented the part generating "EditorEnh.linkOptions". Think that was what
> you mean...
> It seems to work on my notebook and seems to be faster... Later will check
> it on the old? (and slow) computer. \
> Thanks
>
> --
> Dennis Schetinin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch


From marianopeck at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 17:16:31 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck:   "si,
	y no es gripe gordito..." )
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:16:31 -0100
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904280114i7622e3c8of7dc71065e3c8b2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280114i7622e3c8of7dc71065e3c8b2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904290816g3baa9ca7ocf862b064826a1d9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Yeah, that's probably more complicated.
> >>
> >> The yet simplest solution is to subclass PBBlog and override
> >> #description. If the current user is not an admin user
> >> (PRCurrentContext value user), you filter the publication date field.
> >
> > Lukas: Thanks! I start doing this. However I was having a problem. Till
> now
> > I always use a 'admin' user that has a 'admin' group.
> > I created a new group called "finalUser". I create a user called
> "mariano"
> > with that group. I went to "change group" with my admin user
> > and recursively I add "add comment" and "PRPost" permissions for the
> group
> > "finalUser".
>
> I tried to reproduce that, but it works for me. Did you give the view
> permissions?
>

:)  That did the trick!  Thanks!

Now, the last thing I need is what I said in mail with subject "Link for
adding a new post".

If that's not possible, can I filter the "Type" list when adding something
to a blog ? Suppose you are a final user with finalUser group. You will be
able to add a PRBlogWithAuthorization but won't be able to add a PRBlog.
However, both of them are shown in the list. Ok, I that user selects a
PRBlog then Pier says "permission denied". But, I would like to avoid this
step. I mean, each user see in that list the thing he has permissions for.

Can I do this?

Thanks!

Mariano




>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 17:49:41 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:49:41 +0200
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904290816g3baa9ca7ocf862b064826a1d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280114i7622e3c8of7dc71065e3c8b2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904290816g3baa9ca7ocf862b064826a1d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904290849x2eda945al5ea564140cff399d@mail.gmail.com>

> Now, the last thing I need is what I said in mail with subject "Link for
> adding a new post".

Sorry, I must have missed that part.

*Add Post>.|command=Add*

> If that's not possible, can I filter the "Type" list when adding something
> to a blog ?

To blogs you can only add posts anyway.

> Suppose you are a final user with finalUser group. You will be
> able to add a PRBlogWithAuthorization but won't be able to add a PRBlog.
> However, both of them are shown in the list. Ok, I that user selects a
> PRBlog then Pier says "permission denied". But, I would like to avoid this
> step. I mean, each user see in that list the thing he has permissions for.

I'll have to check this, I thought this was filtered?

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com  Wed Apr 29 19:34:58 2009
From: johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com (John M McIntosh)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:34:58 -0700
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <BAFAFAA0-1F35-4844-A871-399A9177DA20@vub.ac.be>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB750053-3628-43CA-A3FB-8C42DB6E6D68@vub.ac.be>
	<a38fadc50904290648j6517d822mba9da827b5fbced2@mail.gmail.com>
	<B46D5D8C-12CC-42C4-8A8C-461ABF8E3021@iam.unibe.ch>
	<BAFAFAA0-1F35-4844-A871-399A9177DA20@vub.ac.be>
Message-ID: <BB5C382A-DFE8-4433-BC27-EC7A327CFE38@smalltalkconsulting.com>

I've attached a ContextPart>>errorReportOn:  we use to print more  
information, the current one dates from the last decade of the last  
century and really
provides too little data on the instance variables and stack size.   
For example if we could see all of files: we chould see if the  
pier.changes file is  there.

But it looks like it's trying to bring up a debug dialog and failing  
when it can't find the changes file.
In your image preferences have you set it to say there might not be an  
source or changes file?
Also see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=512  where  
saying  you don't have an image or changes file still will trigger a  
walkback if
the files *do* exist but you don't have permission to read them.


PS I note on an os-x server the file system is case sensitive, on  
desktop machines it's non-case sensitive. So for
example on a desktop machine "IntensiVE.app" and "Intensive.app" would  
be the same, but on  the server it's not.


On 29-Apr-09, at 7:06 AM, Andy Kellens wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Yes, there is plenty of space left on the server.
> Mariano was right: the stack trace could be found in the debug.log.
> I added it to the end of this mail.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andy
>
> ----
>
> Error: attempt to index non-existent element in an ordered collection
> 29 April 2009 2:21:15 pm
>
> VM: Mac OS - a SmalltalkImage
> Image: Pharo0.1 [Latest update: #10213]
>
> SecurityManager state:
> Restricted: false
> FileAccess: true
> SocketAccess: true
> Working Dir /Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/Contents/Resources
> Trusted Dir /foobar/tooBar/forSqueak/bogus/
> Untrusted Dir /foobar/tooBar/forSqueak/bogus/
>
> OrderedCollection(Object)>>error:
> 	Receiver: an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
> 		aString: 	'attempt to index non-existent element in an ordered  
> collection'
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
> 		firstIndex: 	1
> 		lastIndex: 	12
>
> OrderedCollection>>errorNoSuchElement
> 	Receiver: an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
>
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
> 		firstIndex: 	1
> 		lastIndex: 	12
>
> OrderedCollection>>at:
> 	Receiver: an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
> 		anInteger: 	0
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
> 		firstIndex: 	1
> 		lastIndex: 	12
>
> StandardFileStream class>>readOnlyFileDoesNotExistUserHandling:
> 	Receiver: StandardFileStream
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
> 		fullFileName: 	'/Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/Contents/ 
> Resources/pier.c...etc...
> 		dir: 	UnixFileDirectory on '/Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/ 
> Contents/Reso...etc...
> 		files: 	#('debug.log' 'pier.icns' 'pier2009-04-29_14-16-40.image'  
> 'pier2009-04-2...etc...
> 		choices: 	an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_b...etc...
> 		selection: 	0
> 		newName: 	nil
> 		fileName: 	'pier.changes'
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		superclass: 	FileStream
> 		methodDict: 	a MethodDictionary(#actAsExecutor->a CompiledMethod  
> (98) #ascii->a ...etc...
> 		format: 	146
> 		instanceVariables: 	#('name' 'fileID' 'buffer1')
> 		organization: 	('access' directory directoryUrl file fullName  
> isDirectory localN...etc...
> 		subclasses: 	{CrLfFileStream. MultiByteFileStream}
> 		name: 	#StandardFileStream
> 		classPool: 	a Dictionary(#Registry->a WeakRegistry(<this  
> WeakRegistry is locked>...etc...
> 		sharedPools: 	nil
> 		environment: 	nil
> 		category: 	#'Files-Kernel'
> 		traitComposition: 	nil
> 		localSelectors: 	nil
>
>
> --- The full stack ---
> OrderedCollection(Object)>>error:
> OrderedCollection>>errorNoSuchElement
> OrderedCollection>>at:
> StandardFileStream class>>readOnlyFileDoesNotExistUserHandling:
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> FileDoesNotExistException>>defaultAction
> UndefinedObject>>handleSignal:
> MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal:
> FileDoesNotExistException(Exception)>>signal
> MultiByteFileStream class(StandardFileStream  
> class)>>readOnlyFileNamed:
> MultiByteFileStream(StandardFileStream)>>readOnlyCopy
> RemoteString>>text
> CompiledMethod>>getSourceFromFile
> CompiledMethod>>methodNode
> Decompiler>>decompileBlock:
> BlockContext>>decompile
> BlockContext>>printOn:
> [] in BlockContext(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo: {[:s | self  
> printOn: s]}
> String class(SequenceableCollection class)>>streamContents:limitedTo:
> BlockContext(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo:
> BlockContext(Object)>>printString
> [] in OTToolset class>>debug:context:label:contents:fullView:
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:54, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> Do you have enough harddisk space?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:48, Mariano Martinez Peck: si, y no es gripe  
>> gordito... wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps SqueakDebug.log (it should be where the image is) can give  
>>> you more information.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mariano
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Andy Kellens  
>>> <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I get a pop-up from squeak (see attached screenshot) and I managed  
>>> to see the error, but  I can't open up the actual debugger (the  
>>> pop-up window just keeps appearing).
>>> I have seen that the old image (pier.image and pier.changes) get  
>>> renamed, but apparently the system is not able to create the new  
>>> pier.image and pier.changes.
>>> To be sure, I verified that squeak has write privileges to the  
>>> correct directory.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 11:10, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you post a full stack trace?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Andy Kellens  
>>> <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>> I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app  
>>> directory.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>>
>>> We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>>>
>>> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you  
>>> run
>>> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
>>> limited write access.
>>>
>>> Lukas
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens  
>>> <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
>>> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system  
>>> stopped
>>> saving the changes persistently to the image.
>>> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to  
>>> reproduce
>>> the problem:
>>>    - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a
>>> previous
>>> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>>>    - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages:  
>>> 3)
>>> as
>>> the persistency scheme
>>>    - I start changing the wiki
>>>    - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new  
>>> images +
>>> changes files
>>>    - When the third backup should be made, I get an error:  
>>> pier.image
>>> not found
>>>    - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar  
>>> error:
>>> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>>>    - I checked: both files are where they should be
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>


ContextPart>>errorReportOn: strm
	"Write a detailed error report on the stack (above me) on a stream.   
For both the error file, and emailing a bug report.  Suppress any  
errors while getting printStrings.  Limit the length."

	| cnt aContext startPos |
  	strm print: Date today; space; print: Time now; cr.
	strm cr.
	strm nextPutAll: 'VM: ';
		nextPutAll:  SmalltalkImage current platformName asString;
		nextPutAll: ' - ';
		nextPutAll: SmalltalkImage current platformSubtype asString;
		nextPutAll: ' - ';
		nextPutAll: SmalltalkImage current osVersion asString;
		nextPutAll: ' - ';
		nextPutAll: SmalltalkImage current vmVersion asString;
		cr.
	strm nextPutAll: 'Image: ';
		nextPutAll:  SystemVersion current version asString;
		nextPutAll: ' [';
		nextPutAll: SmalltalkImage current lastUpdateString asString;
		nextPutAll: ']';
		cr.
	strm cr.
	SecurityManager default printStateOn: strm.
	
	"Note: The following is an open-coded version of  
ContextPart>>stackOfSize: since this method may be called during a low  
space condition and we might run out of space for allocating the full  
stack."
	cnt := 0.  startPos := strm position.
	aContext := self.
	[aContext notNil and: [(cnt := cnt + 1) < 40]] whileTrue:
		[aContext printDetails: strm.	"variable values"
		strm cr.
		aContext := aContext sender].

	strm cr; nextPutAll: '--- The full stack ---'; cr.
	aContext := self.
	cnt := 0.
	[aContext == nil] whileFalse:
		[cnt := cnt + 1.
		cnt = 40 ifTrue: [strm nextPutAll: ' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'; cr].
		strm print: aContext; cr.  "just class>>selector"	

		strm position > (startPos+150000) ifTrue: [strm nextPutAll:  
'...etc...'.
			^ self]. 	"exit early"
		cnt > 200 ifTrue: [strm nextPutAll: '-- and more not shown --'.  ^  
self].
		aContext := aContext sender].




From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 20:08:48 2009
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:08:48 -0600
Subject: Persistency problem with Pier 1.1.1 on Mac OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <BAFAFAA0-1F35-4844-A871-399A9177DA20@vub.ac.be>
References: <C4166CAE-0F24-41A2-94B5-0506DD903E1C@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290131p2ec3dc25n3edaf363035bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F5ECB8A-CAEC-4898-A437-49053F3F6FAF@vub.ac.be>
	<67628d690904290210i6a9302bcn85f25a3db097313@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB750053-3628-43CA-A3FB-8C42DB6E6D68@vub.ac.be>
	<a38fadc50904290648j6517d822mba9da827b5fbced2@mail.gmail.com>
	<B46D5D8C-12CC-42C4-8A8C-461ABF8E3021@iam.unibe.ch>
	<BAFAFAA0-1F35-4844-A871-399A9177DA20@vub.ac.be>
Message-ID: <75664F5E-3665-461F-AE83-C1DA8CBB98BA@gmail.com>

Andy - I've seen this error outside of the context of Pier.  Once you  
get into this state, there is nothing you can do--everything you try  
to do throws the same error.  Whatever the problem turns out to be, it  
would be really nice to fix it so that the image isn't brought to its  
knees.

David
----
1 Squeak/Seaside/Pier site deployed


On Apr 29, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Andy Kellens wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Yes, there is plenty of space left on the server.
> Mariano was right: the stack trace could be found in the debug.log.
> I added it to the end of this mail.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andy
>
> ----
>
> Error: attempt to index non-existent element in an ordered collection
> 29 April 2009 2:21:15 pm
>
> VM: Mac OS - a SmalltalkImage
> Image: Pharo0.1 [Latest update: #10213]
>
> SecurityManager state:
> Restricted: false
> FileAccess: true
> SocketAccess: true
> Working Dir /Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/Contents/Resources
> Trusted Dir /foobar/tooBar/forSqueak/bogus/
> Untrusted Dir /foobar/tooBar/forSqueak/bogus/
>
> OrderedCollection(Object)>>error:
> 	Receiver: an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
> 		aString: 	'attempt to index non-existent element in an ordered  
> collection'
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
> 		firstIndex: 	1
> 		lastIndex: 	12
>
> OrderedCollection>>errorNoSuchElement
> 	Receiver: an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
>
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
> 		firstIndex: 	1
> 		lastIndex: 	12
>
> OrderedCollection>>at:
> 	Receiver: an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-...etc...
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
> 		anInteger: 	0
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		array: 	#('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_backup_2009-04-28_13-3...etc...
> 		firstIndex: 	1
> 		lastIndex: 	12
>
> StandardFileStream class>>readOnlyFileDoesNotExistUserHandling:
> 	Receiver: StandardFileStream
> 	Arguments and temporary variables:
> 		fullFileName: 	'/Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/Contents/ 
> Resources/pier.c...etc...
> 		dir: 	UnixFileDirectory on '/Library/WebServer/Wikis/IntensiVE.app/ 
> Contents/Reso...etc...
> 		files: 	#('debug.log' 'pier.icns' 'pier2009-04-29_14-16-40.image'  
> 'pier2009-04-2...etc...
> 		choices: 	an  
> OrderedCollection('pier_backup_2009-04-28_15-52-46.changes'  
> 'pier_b...etc...
> 		selection: 	0
> 		newName: 	nil
> 		fileName: 	'pier.changes'
> 	Receiver's instance variables:
> 		superclass: 	FileStream
> 		methodDict: 	a MethodDictionary(#actAsExecutor->a CompiledMethod  
> (98) #ascii->a ...etc...
> 		format: 	146
> 		instanceVariables: 	#('name' 'fileID' 'buffer1')
> 		organization: 	('access' directory directoryUrl file fullName  
> isDirectory localN...etc...
> 		subclasses: 	{CrLfFileStream. MultiByteFileStream}
> 		name: 	#StandardFileStream
> 		classPool: 	a Dictionary(#Registry->a WeakRegistry(<this  
> WeakRegistry is locked>...etc...
> 		sharedPools: 	nil
> 		environment: 	nil
> 		category: 	#'Files-Kernel'
> 		traitComposition: 	nil
> 		localSelectors: 	nil
>
>
> --- The full stack ---
> OrderedCollection(Object)>>error:
> OrderedCollection>>errorNoSuchElement
> OrderedCollection>>at:
> StandardFileStream class>>readOnlyFileDoesNotExistUserHandling:
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> FileDoesNotExistException>>defaultAction
> UndefinedObject>>handleSignal:
> MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal:
> FileDoesNotExistException(Exception)>>signal
> MultiByteFileStream class(StandardFileStream  
> class)>>readOnlyFileNamed:
> MultiByteFileStream(StandardFileStream)>>readOnlyCopy
> RemoteString>>text
> CompiledMethod>>getSourceFromFile
> CompiledMethod>>methodNode
> Decompiler>>decompileBlock:
> BlockContext>>decompile
> BlockContext>>printOn:
> [] in BlockContext(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo: {[:s | self  
> printOn: s]}
> String class(SequenceableCollection class)>>streamContents:limitedTo:
> BlockContext(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo:
> BlockContext(Object)>>printString
> [] in OTToolset class>>debug:context:label:contents:fullView:
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:54, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> Do you have enough harddisk space?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:48, Mariano Martinez Peck: si, y no es gripe  
>> gordito... wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps SqueakDebug.log (it should be where the image is) can give  
>>> you more information.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mariano
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Andy Kellens  
>>> <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I get a pop-up from squeak (see attached screenshot) and I managed  
>>> to see the error, but  I can't open up the actual debugger (the  
>>> pop-up window just keeps appearing).
>>> I have seen that the old image (pier.image and pier.changes) get  
>>> renamed, but apparently the system is not able to create the new  
>>> pier.image and pier.changes.
>>> To be sure, I verified that squeak has write privileges to the  
>>> correct directory.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 11:10, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you post a full stack trace?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Andy Kellens  
>>> <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>> I checked: the VM has write permissions to the entire .app  
>>> directory.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:31, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>>
>>> We are running several instances on a Mac Server here.
>>>
>>> Are you sure that the VM has write permissions? Especially if you  
>>> run
>>> the one-click image from /Applications, the VM has usually only
>>> limited write access.
>>>
>>> Lukas
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andy Kellens  
>>> <akellens at vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a Pier 1.1.1 installation running on our Mac OS X Server.
>>> While the Pier system runs just fine, I noticed that the system  
>>> stopped
>>> saving the changes persistently to the image.
>>> After playing around a bit with our installation, I was able to  
>>> reproduce
>>> the problem:
>>>    - I start with a clean Pier image (and import content from a
>>> previous
>>> 1.1.1 installation using the Importer/Exporter component)
>>>    - I choose PRImagePersistency (duration: 30 minutes; maxImages:  
>>> 3)
>>> as
>>> the persistency scheme
>>>    - I start changing the wiki
>>>    - The first two saves work perfectly: Pier creates two new  
>>> images +
>>> changes files
>>>    - When the third backup should be made, I get an error:  
>>> pier.image
>>> not found
>>>    - I also tried to manually save the image, but get a similar  
>>> error:
>>> Squeak cannot locate the changes file /...../pier.changes.
>>>    - I checked: both files are where they should be
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lukas Renggli
>>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Lukas Renggli
>>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>
>> "Obvious things are difficult to teach."
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 00:07:34 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:07:34 +0200
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904290849x2eda945al5ea564140cff399d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280114i7622e3c8of7dc71065e3c8b2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904290816g3baa9ca7ocf862b064826a1d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904290849x2eda945al5ea564140cff399d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904291507s2e986e4fkb158946fcfe1d807@mail.gmail.com>

>> Suppose you are a final user with finalUser group. You will be
>> able to add a PRBlogWithAuthorization but won't be able to add a PRBlog.
>> However, both of them are shown in the list. Ok, I that user selects a
>> PRBlog then Pier says "permission denied". But, I would like to avoid this
>> step. I mean, each user see in that list the thing he has permissions for.
>
> I'll have to check this, I thought this was filtered?

You are right, this is something I missed. I fixed this issue in
Pier-Security-lr.137. Please let me know if this solves the problem.

Name: Pier-Security-lr.137
Author: lr
Time: 30 April 2009, 12:06:13 am
UUID: 9ddcb800-7198-4937-8413-d979ffb01263
Ancestors: Pier-Security-lr.136

- only show the add actions, that the user actually has the permission for

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 01:26:02 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:26:02 -0300
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904290849x2eda945al5ea564140cff399d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280114i7622e3c8of7dc71065e3c8b2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904290816g3baa9ca7ocf862b064826a1d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904290849x2eda945al5ea564140cff399d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904291626k6b7e634bp6143e4cffe181cb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Now, the last thing I need is what I said in mail with subject "Link for
> > adding a new post".
>
> Sorry, I must have missed that part.
>
> *Add Post>.|command=Add*
>

First of all, thanks for your replies and interest :)

Suppose I am inside a blog. And there I want to put a link to add a blog.
Just as "add" command but as a custom link in a custom place.
I put that but is like I miss the environment. The add is not interpreted
for the blog, but for something general. How can I specify the environment
to the link ?
or any way to solve this ?


>
> > If that's not possible, can I filter the "Type" list when adding
> something
> > to a blog ?
>
> To blogs you can only add posts anyway.


That's exactly my question. If blogs can only add posts, can I avoid this
step and go directly to add post? (the screen where I put name, author,
publication and so on)... If so, how ?

Thanks!!!



> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 01:26:30 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:26:30 -0300
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904291507s2e986e4fkb158946fcfe1d807@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
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	<67628d690904291507s2e986e4fkb158946fcfe1d807@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904291626m7f72d40ajcad1b77be24805a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Suppose you are a final user with finalUser group. You will be
> >> able to add a PRBlogWithAuthorization but won't be able to add a PRBlog.
> >> However, both of them are shown in the list. Ok, I that user selects a
> >> PRBlog then Pier says "permission denied". But, I would like to avoid
> this
> >> step. I mean, each user see in that list the thing he has permissions
> for.
> >
> > I'll have to check this, I thought this was filtered?
>
> You are right, this is something I missed. I fixed this issue in
> Pier-Security-lr.137. Please let me know if this solves the problem.
>
> Name: Pier-Security-lr.137
> Author: lr
> Time: 30 April 2009, 12:06:13 am
> UUID: 9ddcb800-7198-4937-8413-d979ffb01263
> Ancestors: Pier-Security-lr.136
>
> - only show the add actions, that the user actually has the permission for



:) Perfect!!!!

Thanks a lot !!!


>
>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 03:08:41 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:08:41 -0300
Subject: Reports in Pier
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904291808y38d172cl82de4723218f7494@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I want to make a report with Pier in Seaside that shows all the blogs that
satisfy certain condition. Perhaps something more, but not right now.

Which is the easy way to do this with Pier/Magritte ? I thought to subclass
PUReportWidget. Should this be a good idea ?

Thanks for the tips!

Mariano
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From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:31:45 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:31:45 +0200
Subject: Posts Authorization
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904291626k6b7e634bp6143e4cffe181cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904270536v52e482afx2d7723fe19e5e01d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904270539rd19cbc1gf17b6904dcd26636@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904270948p4cf880fejaa02d9accf6463a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271045n2b76f1ffnd49a8d77aca427c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904271101ta238cdbx2ae03efc29aec2fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904271731w7f78a8e0l9178d3e2041c1434@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904280114i7622e3c8of7dc71065e3c8b2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a38fadc50904290816g3baa9ca7ocf862b064826a1d9@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <67628d690904292331k23b74793v38e0ac3b88ac3b4d@mail.gmail.com>

> That's exactly my question. If blogs can only add posts, can I avoid this
> step and go directly to add post? (the screen where I put name, author,
> publication and so on)... If so, how ?

Not at the moment, because you need to provide a name.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:36:56 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:36:56 +0200
Subject: Reports in Pier
In-Reply-To: <a38fadc50904291808y38d172cl82de4723218f7494@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a38fadc50904291808y38d172cl82de4723218f7494@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690904292336g122f8d3an9f2130d140ac0f2f@mail.gmail.com>

> Which is the easy way to do this with Pier/Magritte ? I thought to subclass
> PUReportWidget. Should this be a good idea ?

Yeah, or even PUStructuresWidget a subclass of PUReportWidget, then
you already get the basic functionality to report on structures.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From chaetal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 15:58:22 2009
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:58:22 +0400
Subject: Speed issue
In-Reply-To: <67628d690904290756g2d908443gc9a007b1d382d0da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84f77e270904282308p599ccb6bn4f073e538d74954f@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690904282341r8cab916ma77a5d8ecb24097@mail.gmail.com>
	<84f77e270904282357s24c55921xcb6620b33127f892@mail.gmail.com>
	<84f77e270904290131u2ddbb07ah5099ebd90b0ff72f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <84f77e270904300658l43d5a9ddsd43f680bc0b442f4@mail.gmail.com>

> Load the latest EditorEnh, it loads the list of links using AJAX now
> and thus so it should be much faster in the normal case.
>
> Lukas
>


Thank you. Now it's ok.

-- 
Dennis Schetinin
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From dtrussardi at tiscali.it  Thu Apr 30 18:29:42 2009
From: dtrussardi at tiscali.it (Dario Trussardi)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:29:42 +0200
Subject: MAExternalFileModel baseUrl configuration
Message-ID: <398EBF0B044A478391641C120DF30212@istcamuno>

Hi All,

I work with Glass and Magritte.

I have create a subclass of MAExternalFileModel to manage the files on my server with Lighttpd sever.

My problem is relative to the baseUrl configuration of it class because :

    1) for web request from local LAN it's need point to my local server IP.

    2) for web request from www it's need point to my router ( configured with Port Forwarding to my server ).

I forget something ?
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!






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From renggli at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 18:43:19 2009
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:43:19 +0200
Subject: MAExternalFileModel baseUrl configuration
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> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!

Can't you make all requests go through your router?

Lukas

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Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 19:40:11 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:40:11 -0100
Subject: Posts Authorization
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

> > That's exactly my question. If blogs can only add posts, can I avoid this
> > step and go directly to add post? (the screen where I put name, author,
> > publication and so on)... If so, how ?
>
> Not at the moment, because you need to provide a name.
>

Ok. But perhaps (I don't know if magritte supports this) it can be configure
(through settings command) the type list so that it only renders if it has
more than one option. I would love the final user not to be aware of a
"component type".

Thanks a lot!

Mariano


>
> Lukas
>
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From marianopeck at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 21:45:26 2009
From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:45:26 -0100
Subject: Pier-EmailSender and "Contact Us"
Message-ID: <a38fadc50904301245k6b75f86bia4e2e2e683fff285@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I need to do the typical "Contact Us" form where the user can put the name
the email and the question and then this email to the webmaster email
account.

I look there was a Pier-EmailSender  which seems to do what I need. However
It has different walkbacks in Pier 1.1.1.

Keith Hodges: do you think it's rather to make it work that doing my own ?

It is very simple to reproduce. Just open a fresh Pier 1.1.1 and add that
widget.

Thanks!!

Mariano
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr 30 23:29:41 2009
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:29:41 +0100
Subject: Pier-EmailSender and "Contact Us"
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Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I need to do the typical "Contact Us" form where the user can put the
> name the email and the question and then this email to the webmaster
> email account.
>
> I look there was a Pier-EmailSender  which seems to do what I need.
> However It has different walkbacks in Pier 1.1.1.
>
> Keith Hodges: do you think it's rather to make it work that doing my own ?
>
> It is very simple to reproduce. Just open a fresh Pier 1.1.1 and add
> that widget.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Mariano
The code I am using myself based on this code has been moved into the
Beach project, I think you will find it a bit more workable there. I
dont think it has any dependencies upon beach itself.

www.squeaksource.com/BeachPostBox-Seaside

Keith