From renggli at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:55:56 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:55:56 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <49101BE2.60309@iafrica.com>
References: <49101BE2.60309@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690811050455k5044e6c6g3769d3c449c6a81@mail.gmail.com>

I'll forward that question to the Pier mailing-list.

Lukas

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Graham McLeod <mcleod at iafrica.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org


Hi
I am familiar with Squeak and becoming familiar with Seaside.
I am keen to use Pier for a small website, but am battling to find any
tutorial or getting started documentation (other than enough to know
that I am interested!). I have downloaded the new one click image from
Tudor and Lukas and have Pier running. My problem now is how do I
begin with tasks like:

Creating a page template with my logo, choice of menu layout etc?
Adding a search component visible throughout the site
Using columns as seen on the Seaside site?
Editing rich content pages with embedded graphics, tables, video etc..
- I did come accross a loadable extension that did this in the past
using a java script based editor, but I also found a post to the
effect that
this is no longer required...

Any links to more detailed documentation, or suggestions on how to do
the above will be appreciated!
Thanks,
Graham

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Nov  5 16:41:55 2008
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:41:55 +0000
Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811050455k5044e6c6g3769d3c449c6a81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49101BE2.60309@iafrica.com>
	<67628d690811050455k5044e6c6g3769d3c449c6a81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4911BEC3.1040806@yahoo.co.uk>

Lukas Renggli wrote:
> I'll forward that question to the Pier mailing-list.
>
> Lukas
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Graham McLeod <mcleod at iafrica.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM
> Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>
>
> Hi
> I am familiar with Squeak and becoming familiar with Seaside.
> I am keen to use Pier for a small website, but am battling to find any
> tutorial or getting started documentation (other than enough to know
> that I am interested!). I have downloaded the new one click image from
> Tudor and Lukas and have Pier running. My problem now is how do I
> begin with tasks like:
>
> Creating a page template with my logo, choice of menu layout etc?
> Adding a search component visible throughout the site
> Using columns as seen on the Seaside site?
> Editing rich content pages with embedded graphics, tables, video etc..
> - I did come accross a loadable extension that did this in the past
> using a java script based editor, but I also found a post to the
> effect that
> this is no longer required...
>
> Any links to more detailed documentation, or suggestions on how to do
> the above will be appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Graham
>
>   
If you load Pier-Jetsam-Environment from pieraddons, you will find a
choice of frame components. When you choose the frame for your pier
application, you could choose the "ContentWithStyle" based frames.

This frame gives you 1 html layout according to ContentWithStyle

http://www.contentwithstyle.co.uk/content/a-css-framework/

This one layout is flexible enough to give 7 different standard web page
configurations, just by choosing different css selections.
You can choose the css selection in the settings of any page. Add your
additional css to your application library, to set the logo's etc.

Keith

From dale.henrichs at gemstone.com  Thu Nov  6 01:35:47 2008
From: dale.henrichs at gemstone.com (Dale Henrichs)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:35:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811050455k5044e6c6g3769d3c449c6a81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1864946624.377261225931747399.JavaMail.root@gir>


----- "Lukas Renggli" <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:

| I'll forward that question to the Pier mailing-list.
| 
| Lukas
| 
| ---------- Forwarded message ----------
| From: Graham McLeod <mcleod at iafrica.com>
| Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM
| Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
| To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
| 
| 
| Hi
| I am familiar with Squeak and becoming familiar with Seaside.
| I am keen to use Pier for a small website, but am battling to find
| any
| tutorial or getting started documentation (other than enough to know
| that I am interested!). I have downloaded the new one click image
| from
| Tudor and Lukas and have Pier running. My problem now is how do I
| begin with tasks like:
| 
| Creating a page template with my logo, choice of menu layout etc?
| Adding a search component visible throughout the site
| Using columns as seen on the Seaside site?
| Editing rich content pages with embedded graphics, tables, video
| etc..
| - I did come accross a loadable extension that did this in the past
| using a java script based editor, but I also found a post to the
| effect that
| this is no longer required...
| 
| Any links to more detailed documentation, or suggestions on how to do
| the above will be appreciated!
| Thanks,
| Graham
| 
| -- 
| Lukas Renggli
| http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
| 
| _______________________________________________
| SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
| https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

Graham,

I am currently working on a post for my blog (http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/) where I may cover some of the questions you are asking. I'm helping my wife with a Pier site and I made some changes to the CSS to change the look (bacground colors, menus, footer and headers) and I am planning to describe what I did... The post should be available within the next week (sooner rather than later, but things do come up;), so keep an eye out.

Dale

From alexandre at bergel.eu  Thu Nov  6 20:21:41 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:21:41 -0300
Subject: Novice questions: password, site name, new tab
Message-ID: <20334FDA-8350-4605-A444-A4F4B2D5C2AC@bergel.eu>

Dear List,

I am setting a Pier image and bumped into problems:
	- how can I change the top most title. I have "Your Pier". How can I  
modify it? Or even better add an image
	- how the admin password may be changed?
	- how a new tab may be added? For now, I have "Home", "Blog",  
"About". What should I do to have a new entry here?

These points do not seem to be addressed in the FAQ. I haven't checked  
in the mailing list archive. Is there a search somewhere?

I would be delighted to expand the FAQ with your answer.

Cheers,
Alexandre
-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Nov  6 20:50:09 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:50:09 +0100
Subject: Novice questions: password, site name, new tab
In-Reply-To: <20334FDA-8350-4605-A444-A4F4B2D5C2AC@bergel.eu>
References: <20334FDA-8350-4605-A444-A4F4B2D5C2AC@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <76731ED2-813B-41AF-96A1-52A7AA7E99F0@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi Alex,

> I am setting a Pier image and bumped into problems:
> 	- how can I change the top most title. I have "Your Pier". How can I
> modify it? Or even better add an image

That is part of the "environment" of the page (or the template). You  
can take a look at it by invoking the Edit Design command (or Ctrl+D  
on Mac). You will see that you actually have different environments  
for different pages (you see the name in the Location), but all embed  
(with "+") the /environment/header+ structure.

If you further navigate to +/environment/header+ using the sitemap at  
the bottom, you will get to a so called meta page. If you edit the  
page, you will see that it embeds +/environment/sitetitle+. This is  
the title that appears at the top. Navigate there and edit it to add  
whatever you want.

> 	- how the admin password may be changed?

Go to /systemmanagement and edit the user.

> 	- how a new tab may be added? For now, I have "Home", "Blog",
> "About". What should I do to have a new entry here?

In the +/environment/header+ you will see that it embeds a +/ 
environment/menu+. Navigate there, and you will further see that if  
you edit it, it's not a page but it is a component. Then invoke  
Settings (or Ctrl+T) and you can add a new item in the list. The nice  
property of the Menu component is that it adds an "active" class to  
the most specific link that it finds in the text of the component.  
This is how we can render the active tab.

Cheers,
Doru

>
> These points do not seem to be addressed in the FAQ. I haven't checked
> in the mailing list archive. Is there a search somewhere?
>
> I would be delighted to expand the FAQ with your answer.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.tudorgirba.com/blog

"Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting  
is the right one."



From damien.cassou at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 08:23:39 2008
From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:23:39 +0100
Subject: Novice questions: password, site name, new tab
In-Reply-To: <20334FDA-8350-4605-A444-A4F4B2D5C2AC@bergel.eu>
References: <20334FDA-8350-4605-A444-A4F4B2D5C2AC@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <6ac749c10811062323l6974e8c3y241ab73b6c716b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu> wrote:
> I would be delighted to expand the FAQ with your answer.

Done: http://www.piercms.com/doc/faq

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

From alexandre at bergel.eu  Sat Nov  8 15:50:37 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:50:37 -0300
Subject: Novice questions: password, site name, new tab
In-Reply-To: <76731ED2-813B-41AF-96A1-52A7AA7E99F0@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <20334FDA-8350-4605-A444-A4F4B2D5C2AC@bergel.eu>
	<76731ED2-813B-41AF-96A1-52A7AA7E99F0@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <C2E743D4-A5EC-4EE5-907E-25B7B18441B0@bergel.eu>

Thanks Doru, it works like a charm.

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 6 Nov 2008, at 16:50, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
>> I am setting a Pier image and bumped into problems:
>> 	- how can I change the top most title. I have "Your Pier". How can I
>> modify it? Or even better add an image
>
> That is part of the "environment" of the page (or the template). You
> can take a look at it by invoking the Edit Design command (or Ctrl+D
> on Mac). You will see that you actually have different environments
> for different pages (you see the name in the Location), but all embed
> (with "+") the /environment/header+ structure.
>
> If you further navigate to +/environment/header+ using the sitemap at
> the bottom, you will get to a so called meta page. If you edit the
> page, you will see that it embeds +/environment/sitetitle+. This is
> the title that appears at the top. Navigate there and edit it to add
> whatever you want.
>
>> 	- how the admin password may be changed?
>
> Go to /systemmanagement and edit the user.
>
>> 	- how a new tab may be added? For now, I have "Home", "Blog",
>> "About". What should I do to have a new entry here?
>
> In the +/environment/header+ you will see that it embeds a +/
> environment/menu+. Navigate there, and you will further see that if
> you edit it, it's not a page but it is a component. Then invoke
> Settings (or Ctrl+T) and you can add a new item in the list. The nice
> property of the Menu component is that it adds an "active" class to
> the most specific link that it finds in the text of the component.
> This is how we can render the active tab.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>>
>> These points do not seem to be addressed in the FAQ. I haven't  
>> checked
>> in the mailing list archive. Is there a search somewhere?
>>
>> I would be delighted to expand the FAQ with your answer.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>> -- 
>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.tudorgirba.com/blog
>
> "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting
> is the right one."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From alexandre at bergel.eu  Sat Nov  8 16:05:46 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:05:46 -0300
Subject: How to add a what news ticket?
Message-ID: <5B37DF5D-B771-46DF-9E0A-6E789C3EF422@bergel.eu>

Dear List,

I am figuring out how to add a new entry in the "what's new". But I  
haven't figured out how. What is wrong with the following steps?
	1 - login with my admin password
	2 - In the Sitemap, I select Blog. I see two entries : Down to  
business and Hello.
	3 - I add a post for which I filled the Author and the contents. My  
post is listed in the Blog part of the Sitemap
	4 - I go back to the main page (by clicking on NewSession for  
example). I do not see my post listed in the "What's new". Probably  
there is something wrong I have done so far.

I then though that maybe the "What's new" is limited to display only 2  
entries, starting from the oldest one (since I guess my post is newer  
than the two post per default). To verify this:
	5 - I select Blog and click on edit, I do not see such a hardcoded  
limitation of 2 posts, I click on setting, neither
	6 - I then try to remove the two previous post, hopping this will let  
my post appear. I click on "Down to business" and press the "remove"  
command.  "Down to business" is not listed in the site map anymore.
	7 - I click on Home or New Session, then I see the "Down to business"  
post listed in the What's new. Obviously I did not the right set of  
actions to remove a post.

Help welcomed :-)

Are the way to realize such feature stable? In the other word, I would  
be delighted to help the Pier community with providing SnapZpro video  
that shows basic features such as adding a page, removing one, adding  
a what's new.

By the way, how can I remove the Seaside development bar "New  
Session", "Configure", ... ?

Cheers,
Alexandre
-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Sat Nov  8 17:23:19 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:23:19 +0100
Subject: How to add a what news ticket?
In-Reply-To: <5B37DF5D-B771-46DF-9E0A-6E789C3EF422@bergel.eu>
References: <5B37DF5D-B771-46DF-9E0A-6E789C3EF422@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <7ACE67F1-EF13-49BE-A3FA-1D87DB0054BE@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi Alex,

There are two problems with the scenario you just mentioned. One  
problem is due to the Blog flow being not so explicit, and one due to  
you looking in the wrong part :)

1. You entered the news correctly in the blog. However, if you did not  
set the publication, it means that the blog post is just a draft. You  
see it in the Sitemap, because the child Post was added successfully,  
but you do not see it in the Blog page. I know, it's not that intuitive.

2. Now, suppose you do fill the publication field of the Post with the  
current date. The post will appear in the Blog, but it will still not  
appear in the main page. This is not a bug, it's actually a feature  
because the posts on the main page will only be updated for a new  
session.

You were right to go look for the settings, but you looked at the  
parameters of the blog. But, it's not the blog that is embedded in the  
main page. Please just follow the environment of the main page to see  
and track down how does the what's new items get there (similar to the  
process I explained in the previous mail). Let me know if it still  
isn't not working.

Movies would be welcome.

To remove the Seaside banner on the bottom, you have to set the  
Deployment Mode of the Seaside application to be true. For this:
- go to localhost:8080/seaside/config (login: admin/seaside)
- choose to Configure the pier application
- for the Deployment Mode entry choose override and then false
- save (at the bottom)

Cheers,
Doru

On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> I am figuring out how to add a new entry in the "what's new". But I
> haven't figured out how. What is wrong with the following steps?
> 	1 - login with my admin password
> 	2 - In the Sitemap, I select Blog. I see two entries : Down to
> business and Hello.
> 	3 - I add a post for which I filled the Author and the contents. My
> post is listed in the Blog part of the Sitemap
> 	4 - I go back to the main page (by clicking on NewSession for
> example). I do not see my post listed in the "What's new". Probably
> there is something wrong I have done so far.
>
> I then though that maybe the "What's new" is limited to display only 2
> entries, starting from the oldest one (since I guess my post is newer
> than the two post per default). To verify this:
> 	5 - I select Blog and click on edit, I do not see such a hardcoded
> limitation of 2 posts, I click on setting, neither
> 	6 - I then try to remove the two previous post, hopping this will let
> my post appear. I click on "Down to business" and press the "remove"
> command.  "Down to business" is not listed in the site map anymore.
> 	7 - I click on Home or New Session, then I see the "Down to business"
> post listed in the What's new. Obviously I did not the right set of
> actions to remove a post.
>
> Help welcomed :-)
>
> Are the way to realize such feature stable? In the other word, I would
> be delighted to help the Pier community with providing SnapZpro video
> that shows basic features such as adding a page, removing one, adding
> a what's new.
>
> By the way, how can I remove the Seaside development bar "New
> Session", "Configure", ... ?
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.tudorgirba.com/blog

"Beauty is where we see it."



From jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 19:40:18 2008
From: jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com (Jason Johnson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:40:18 +0100
Subject: Blueprint
In-Reply-To: <480DF5CA.1020201@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <480CE056.4020409@yahoo.co.uk> <480D10C0.1010509@yahoo.co.uk>
	<480D4EDD.6000804@yahoo.co.uk>
	<1AB9D229-350F-4408-9E3F-7176437B56B0@iam.unibe.ch>
	<480D9D1D.2010704@yahoo.co.uk>
	<478E03B8-5CA0-49AE-8F46-34D05ECFC865@iam.unibe.ch>
	<480DF5CA.1020201@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <aa22f0200811081040s7d8af187n5ee726c070df5f45@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is pretty old, but I have been thinking along these lines
myself, since I didn't really want to have a login button on the
normal site.

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> That's interesting. So you essentially have two entry points to your
>> site. For example
>>
>>       www.seaside.st
>>
>> for the normal visitors and
>>
>>       admin.seaside.st
>>
>> for an administrative interface to the same site?
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>>
> Exactly! A whole additional dimension. It was a eureka moment for me I
> think this could be very useful.
>
> Keith
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

From alexandre at bergel.eu  Sun Nov  9 14:46:09 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:46:09 -0300
Subject: How to add a what news ticket?
In-Reply-To: <7ACE67F1-EF13-49BE-A3FA-1D87DB0054BE@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <5B37DF5D-B771-46DF-9E0A-6E789C3EF422@bergel.eu>
	<7ACE67F1-EF13-49BE-A3FA-1D87DB0054BE@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <4BBB06BF-B45D-482A-9428-E88B6D97D7D6@bergel.eu>

Thanks Doru,

It works!

I can add your answers to the Pier FAQ if someone provide the password.

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 8 Nov 2008, at 13:23, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> There are two problems with the scenario you just mentioned. One
> problem is due to the Blog flow being not so explicit, and one due to
> you looking in the wrong part :)
>
> 1. You entered the news correctly in the blog. However, if you did not
> set the publication, it means that the blog post is just a draft. You
> see it in the Sitemap, because the child Post was added successfully,
> but you do not see it in the Blog page. I know, it's not that  
> intuitive.
>
> 2. Now, suppose you do fill the publication field of the Post with the
> current date. The post will appear in the Blog, but it will still not
> appear in the main page. This is not a bug, it's actually a feature
> because the posts on the main page will only be updated for a new
> session.
>
> You were right to go look for the settings, but you looked at the
> parameters of the blog. But, it's not the blog that is embedded in the
> main page. Please just follow the environment of the main page to see
> and track down how does the what's new items get there (similar to the
> process I explained in the previous mail). Let me know if it still
> isn't not working.
>
> Movies would be welcome.
>
> To remove the Seaside banner on the bottom, you have to set the
> Deployment Mode of the Seaside application to be true. For this:
> - go to localhost:8080/seaside/config (login: admin/seaside)
> - choose to Configure the pier application
> - for the Deployment Mode entry choose override and then false
> - save (at the bottom)
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I am figuring out how to add a new entry in the "what's new". But I
>> haven't figured out how. What is wrong with the following steps?
>> 	1 - login with my admin password
>> 	2 - In the Sitemap, I select Blog. I see two entries : Down to
>> business and Hello.
>> 	3 - I add a post for which I filled the Author and the contents. My
>> post is listed in the Blog part of the Sitemap
>> 	4 - I go back to the main page (by clicking on NewSession for
>> example). I do not see my post listed in the "What's new". Probably
>> there is something wrong I have done so far.
>>
>> I then though that maybe the "What's new" is limited to display  
>> only 2
>> entries, starting from the oldest one (since I guess my post is newer
>> than the two post per default). To verify this:
>> 	5 - I select Blog and click on edit, I do not see such a hardcoded
>> limitation of 2 posts, I click on setting, neither
>> 	6 - I then try to remove the two previous post, hopping this will  
>> let
>> my post appear. I click on "Down to business" and press the "remove"
>> command.  "Down to business" is not listed in the site map anymore.
>> 	7 - I click on Home or New Session, then I see the "Down to  
>> business"
>> post listed in the What's new. Obviously I did not the right set of
>> actions to remove a post.
>>
>> Help welcomed :-)
>>
>> Are the way to realize such feature stable? In the other word, I  
>> would
>> be delighted to help the Pier community with providing SnapZpro video
>> that shows basic features such as adding a page, removing one, adding
>> a what's new.
>>
>> By the way, how can I remove the Seaside development bar "New
>> Session", "Configure", ... ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>> -- 
>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.tudorgirba.com/blog
>
> "Beauty is where we see it."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 15:06:40 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:06:40 +0100
Subject: How to add a what news ticket?
In-Reply-To: <7ACE67F1-EF13-49BE-A3FA-1D87DB0054BE@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <5B37DF5D-B771-46DF-9E0A-6E789C3EF422@bergel.eu>
	<7ACE67F1-EF13-49BE-A3FA-1D87DB0054BE@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811090606kaeaab7fv7583629d1176cc5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
> 1. You entered the news correctly in the blog. However, if you did not
> set the publication, it means that the blog post is just a draft. You
> see it in the Sitemap, because the child Post was added successfully,
> but you do not see it in the Blog page. I know, it's not that intuitive.

Maybe drafts should have a different style, or say (draft) after their
title in the sitemap.
Or the Blog could display drafts when the user is logged with the
correct credentials (he's an author or editor), and display them with
a style that reflects their state. This way the Blog behaves as a
display for standard users, and a publishing interface for logged-in
authors.

> 2. Now, suppose you do fill the publication field of the Post with the
> current date. The post will appear in the Blog, but it will still not
> appear in the main page. This is not a bug, it's actually a feature
> because the posts on the main page will only be updated for a new
> session.

I fail to see how that's a useful feature?


-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Mon Nov 10 00:07:58 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:07:58 +0100
Subject: How to add a what news ticket?
In-Reply-To: <34b4844b0811090606kaeaab7fv7583629d1176cc5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5B37DF5D-B771-46DF-9E0A-6E789C3EF422@bergel.eu>
	<7ACE67F1-EF13-49BE-A3FA-1D87DB0054BE@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811090606kaeaab7fv7583629d1176cc5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E8A540E-96D2-4BE8-BE97-CFA79D521F92@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi,

>> 2. Now, suppose you do fill the publication field of the Post with  
>> the
>> current date. The post will appear in the Blog, but it will still not
>> appear in the main page. This is not a bug, it's actually a feature
>> because the posts on the main page will only be updated for a new
>> session.
>
> I fail to see how that's a useful feature?


Actually, me too :). I just wanted to say that it was done like this  
intentionally.

Cheers,
Doru



--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.tudorgirba.com/blog

"If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will  
end up with a messy haircut."



From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 05:34:02 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:34:02 -0700
Subject: css problem
In-Reply-To: <860CFE8B-F4FC-4B2F-B7AC-863B8A420D60@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <860CFE8B-F4FC-4B2F-B7AC-863B8A420D60@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <1C2F13F3-246B-40D0-BDAD-0CB45B300F44@gmail.com>


On Jun 19, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It looks like Pier does not take into account the changes made to the
> CSS using the Edit Design command. You can reproduce the error by  
> just:
> - Edit Design
> - add: body { background: yellow;}
> - save and nothing happens.
>
> The strange thing is that the changes are stored, they just do not
> affect the rendering.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru

I didn't see a response to Doru's email on the list.  I am having the  
same problem (Pier 1.0.17  on Mac OS X 10.5.4).  Is this a known bug?   
Is there a fix?

Thanks,
David


From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 07:24:16 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:24:16 +0100
Subject: css problem
In-Reply-To: <1C2F13F3-246B-40D0-BDAD-0CB45B300F44@gmail.com>
References: <860CFE8B-F4FC-4B2F-B7AC-863B8A420D60@iam.unibe.ch>
	<1C2F13F3-246B-40D0-BDAD-0CB45B300F44@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690811092224q3cc355c0k884204cd47e7d783@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for not summarizing this problem in the list. I was discusssing
it with the original poster in private.

The problem is that Seaside advices browsers to cache the files too
eagerly. If you hit refresh (shift-refresh) it sould display the
updated styles. The behavior you observe is good in production, but
really annoying when designing a site. If I remember correctly this
problem should not appear anymore when updating to the latest 2.8
Seaside.

Lukas

On 11/10/08, David <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jun 19, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It looks like Pier does not take into account the changes made to the
>> CSS using the Edit Design command. You can reproduce the error by
>> just:
>> - Edit Design
>> - add: body { background: yellow;}
>> - save and nothing happens.
>>
>> The strange thing is that the changes are stored, they just do not
>> affect the rendering.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>
> I didn't see a response to Doru's email on the list.  I am having the
> same problem (Pier 1.0.17  on Mac OS X 10.5.4).  Is this a known bug?
> Is there a fix?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>


-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 09:52:06 2008
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:52:06 +0100
Subject: css problem
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811092224q3cc355c0k884204cd47e7d783@mail.gmail.com>
References: <860CFE8B-F4FC-4B2F-B7AC-863B8A420D60@iam.unibe.ch>
	<1C2F13F3-246B-40D0-BDAD-0CB45B300F44@gmail.com>
	<67628d690811092224q3cc355c0k884204cd47e7d783@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210811100052n13cd5ec8x10050ca7f7098554@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com>:
> Sorry for not summarizing this problem in the list. I was discusssing
> it with the original poster in private.
>
> The problem is that Seaside advices browsers to cache the files too
> eagerly. If you hit refresh (shift-refresh) it sould display the
> updated styles. The behavior you observe is good in production, but
> really annoying when designing a site. If I remember correctly this
> problem should not appear anymore when updating to the latest 2.8
> Seaside.

I'm not aware of any changes in this area in 2.8. But I can be wrong.

Cheers
Philippe

From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Mon Nov 10 19:28:53 2008
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:28:53 +0100
Subject: Some thoughts about magritte
In-Reply-To: <7b7d752d0811100939pe929ec5i67a14a2a66b12650@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7b7d752d0811100939pe929ec5i67a14a2a66b12650@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DCA86CC-8B90-406E-9473-86451D614094@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi Gerhard

> - MAReport kann die Spalten nur links ausrichten, insbesondere  
> Zahlen sollten automatisch rechtsb?ndig sein

That's true. Maybe the CSS classes of the description should be  
rendered into every cell.

> - Bei, Description Editor der 1:m Relation verstehe ich einige  
> Funktionen nicht ganz.
>   In manchen F?llen bekomme ich auch Exceptions.
>    Muss ich mir aber noch genauer anschauen

The description editor doesn't make much sense for 1:1 and 1:m  
relations, because these descriptions mostly require some manually  
programming anyway.

> - Es sollte m?glich sein Spalten nicht nur f?r den Editor invisible  
> zu machen, sondern auch f?r die Anzeige in der Tabelle
>   Das beste Beispiel daf?r ist z.b. ein Passwort Feld

This is already possible with the visibility property of the  
description. In addition you can change the visibility of the column  
object independently.

> - Die Instanze Methode "description" w?rde ich auch gerne f?r eingen  
> Zwecke verwenden, daf?r habe ich aber eine L?sung gefunden!

There are several possibilities to do that. For example one could  
create a different MADescriptionBuilder subclass that uses pragmas or  
a different naming convention to build descriptions. For now I never  
did such a migration, because there is simply too much of legacy code  
that depends on this behavior.

> Die Frage ist ob ich solche o.?. Dinge in Magritte selber ?ndern  
> soll oder ich l?se solche Erweiterngen mit eignen Subklassen.
> Was w?rdest DU vorschlagen?

You can always commit changes to the repositories, to discuss if they  
should be included in the main branch.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 01:42:41 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:42:41 -0700
Subject: css problem
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811092224q3cc355c0k884204cd47e7d783@mail.gmail.com>
References: <860CFE8B-F4FC-4B2F-B7AC-863B8A420D60@iam.unibe.ch>
	<1C2F13F3-246B-40D0-BDAD-0CB45B300F44@gmail.com>
	<67628d690811092224q3cc355c0k884204cd47e7d783@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC1AA0D5-5134-40F2-BA7E-E8D81F194C1E@gmail.com>

Thanks, that works.

David

On Nov 9, 2008, at 11:24 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> Sorry for not summarizing this problem in the list. I was discusssing
> it with the original poster in private.
>
> The problem is that Seaside advices browsers to cache the files too
> eagerly. If you hit refresh (shift-refresh) it sould display the
> updated styles. The behavior you observe is good in production, but
> really annoying when designing a site. If I remember correctly this
> problem should not appear anymore when updating to the latest 2.8
> Seaside.
>
> Lukas
>
> On 11/10/08, David <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It looks like Pier does not take into account the changes made to  
>>> the
>>> CSS using the Edit Design command. You can reproduce the error by
>>> just:
>>> - Edit Design
>>> - add: body { background: yellow;}
>>> - save and nothing happens.
>>>
>>> The strange thing is that the changes are stored, they just do not
>>> affect the rendering.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>
>> I didn't see a response to Doru's email on the list.  I am having the
>> same problem (Pier 1.0.17  on Mac OS X 10.5.4).  Is this a known bug?
>> Is there a fix?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 03:26:48 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:26:48 -0700
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I know that this question (in various forms) has been asked many times
and I've seen all the discussions that google would show me but I still
don't know how to get what I want.

What I want is to be able to serve static files from seaside (or pier or
Comanche or whatever) when I am *developing*.  When I push the site to
production, I will be using Apache to serve the static files.  But while I
am developing, it would be nice not to have to run Apace and just run
Squeak.

I have seen the instructions to make Comanche serve static files (e.g. in
Brian Chapados' Pier Design Tutorial) and that does work.  My problem is
that I have set setName, defaultName and ServerPath so that seaside/pier is
*not* in the url.  But I don't know how to get Comanche to serve static
files with those changes.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
David
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From dz0004455 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 05:16:56 2008
From: dz0004455 at gmail.com (David Zmick)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:16:56 +1800
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>

if you run apache on your own local computer it really isnt much of a
hassle, then, once you get it running, you don't have to mess with it later,
and you wont have any trouble switching from your dev. environment to your
deployment environment.  I would use apache :)

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM, David <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, I know that this question (in various forms) has been asked many times
> and I've seen all the discussions that google would show me but I still
> don't know how to get what I want.
>
> What I want is to be able to serve static files from seaside (or pier or
> Comanche or whatever) when I am *developing*.  When I push the site to
> production, I will be using Apache to serve the static files.  But while I
> am developing, it would be nice not to have to run Apace and just run
> Squeak.
>
> I have seen the instructions to make Comanche serve static files (e.g. in
> Brian Chapados' Pier Design Tutorial) and that does work.  My problem is
> that I have set setName, defaultName and ServerPath so that seaside/pier is
> *not* in the url.  But I don't know how to get Comanche to serve static
> files with those changes.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



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From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Nov 11 11:45:48 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:45:48 +0100
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <a49ceb00811110229l48f9ec00q41595157f4a2b114@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3A7E0A06-2CB9-4B02-94B3-9332FE7BB239@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811100706m3d13662eg16b79a61f3902beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00811110229l48f9ec00q41595157f4a2b114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <901A1961-3514-4C24-A6A8-0C888F85A850@iam.unibe.ch>

What exactly did not work?

Cheers,
Doru


On Nov 11, 2008, at 11:29 AM, C?drick B?ler wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Did you use :
> PRDistribution new register
>
> It should work.
>
> 2008/11/10 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet at gmail.com>:
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>  
>> wrote:
>>> Pier 1.0.17 is now available.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have tried to re-generate a starter pier kernel using
>> PRDistribution, but the result doesn't look like what's in the
>> one-click image? am I missing something ? External files maybe ?
>>
>> --
>> Damien Pollet
>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> C?drick
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.tudorgirba.com/blog

"Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution."



From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 17:24:29 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:24:29 +0100
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <901A1961-3514-4C24-A6A8-0C888F85A850@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <3A7E0A06-2CB9-4B02-94B3-9332FE7BB239@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811100706m3d13662eg16b79a61f3902beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00811110229l48f9ec00q41595157f4a2b114@mail.gmail.com>
	<901A1961-3514-4C24-A6A8-0C888F85A850@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811110824t30967b85g36d68f5bd3cbdfa1@mail.gmail.com>

PRDistribution new register does create the same structure, but the
design is different; it probably just lacks the CSS: blue underlined
links, no dark gray bar under the header, no Pier logo?

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
> What exactly did not work?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2008, at 11:29 AM, C?drick B?ler wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Did you use :
>> PRDistribution new register
>>
>> It should work.
>>
>> 2008/11/10 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet at gmail.com>:
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Pier 1.0.17 is now available.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have tried to re-generate a starter pier kernel using
>>> PRDistribution, but the result doesn't look like what's in the
>>> one-click image? am I missing something ? External files maybe ?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Damien Pollet
>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> C?drick
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.tudorgirba.com/blog
>
> "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Nov 11 18:04:38 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:04:38 +0100
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <34b4844b0811110824t30967b85g36d68f5bd3cbdfa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3A7E0A06-2CB9-4B02-94B3-9332FE7BB239@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811100706m3d13662eg16b79a61f3902beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00811110229l48f9ec00q41595157f4a2b114@mail.gmail.com>
	<901A1961-3514-4C24-A6A8-0C888F85A850@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811110824t30967b85g36d68f5bd3cbdfa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1088DD4B-35C5-46F6-8533-3418CD36E3D6@iam.unibe.ch>

That is strange because the CSS is the PRDistribution. I will check if  
it works for me.

Cheers,
Doru


On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Damien Pollet wrote:

> PRDistribution new register does create the same structure, but the
> design is different; it probably just lacks the CSS: blue underlined
> links, no dark gray bar under the header, no Pier logo?
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>  
> wrote:
>> What exactly did not work?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2008, at 11:29 AM, C?drick B?ler wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Did you use :
>>> PRDistribution new register
>>>
>>> It should work.
>>>
>>> 2008/11/10 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet at gmail.com>:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Pier 1.0.17 is now available.
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have tried to re-generate a starter pier kernel using
>>>> PRDistribution, but the result doesn't look like what's in the
>>>> one-click image? am I missing something ? External files maybe ?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damien Pollet
>>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> C?drick
>>>
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>> www.tudorgirba.com/blog
>>
>> "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution."
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Damien Pollet
> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.tudorgirba.com/blog

"If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will  
end up with a messy haircut."



From cdrick65 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 18:56:47 2008
From: cdrick65 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9drick_B=C3=A9ler?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:56:47 +0100
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <1088DD4B-35C5-46F6-8533-3418CD36E3D6@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <3A7E0A06-2CB9-4B02-94B3-9332FE7BB239@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811100706m3d13662eg16b79a61f3902beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00811110229l48f9ec00q41595157f4a2b114@mail.gmail.com>
	<901A1961-3514-4C24-A6A8-0C888F85A850@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811110824t30967b85g36d68f5bd3cbdfa1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1088DD4B-35C5-46F6-8533-3418CD36E3D6@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <a49ceb00811110956ie3033dfk94a3b681b14a50ab@mail.gmail.com>

it works for me.
Maybe this is due to the navigator cache...

I think not having the pier logo is intended though.

Cheers,

2008/11/11 Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>:
> That is strange because the CSS is the PRDistribution. I will check if
> it works for me.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Damien Pollet wrote:
>
>> PRDistribution new register does create the same structure, but the
>> design is different; it probably just lacks the CSS: blue underlined
>> links, no dark gray bar under the header, no Pier logo?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>
>> wrote:
>>> What exactly did not work?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2008, at 11:29 AM, C?drick B?ler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Did you use :
>>>> PRDistribution new register
>>>>
>>>> It should work.
>>>>
>>>> 2008/11/10 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet at gmail.com>:
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Pier 1.0.17 is now available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried to re-generate a starter pier kernel using
>>>>> PRDistribution, but the result doesn't look like what's in the
>>>>> one-click image? am I missing something ? External files maybe ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Damien Pollet
>>>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> C?drick
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>> www.tudorgirba.com/blog
>>>
>>> "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Damien Pollet
>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.tudorgirba.com/blog
>
> "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will
> end up with a messy haircut."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
C?drick


From jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 06:18:54 2008
From: jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com (Jason Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:18:54 +0100
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>

This site tells how to do it:
http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/GettingSoftware/index.html


On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:16 AM, David Zmick <dz0004455 at gmail.com> wrote:
> if you run apache on your own local computer it really isnt much of a
> hassle, then, once you get it running, you don't have to mess with it later,
> and you wont have any trouble switching from your dev. environment to your
> deployment environment.  I would use apache :)
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM, David <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK, I know that this question (in various forms) has been asked many times
>> and I've seen all the discussions that google would show me but I still
>> don't know how to get what I want.
>> What I want is to be able to serve static files from seaside (or pier or
>> Comanche or whatever) when I am *developing*.  When I push the site to
>> production, I will be using Apache to serve the static files.  But while I
>> am developing, it would be nice not to have to run Apace and just run
>> Squeak.
>> I have seen the instructions to make Comanche serve static files (e.g. in
>> Brian Chapados' Pier Design Tutorial) and that does work.  My problem is
>> that I have set setName, defaultName and ServerPath so that seaside/pier is
>> *not* in the url.  But I don't know how to get Comanche to serve static
>> files with those changes.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
> --
> David Zmick
> /dz0004455\
> http://dz0004455.googlepages.com
> http://dz0004455.blogspot.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

From jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 06:19:29 2008
From: jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com (Jason Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:19:29 +0100
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa22f0200811112119r17740445u55fc8b0b04db0569@mail.gmail.com>

Tells how to do what you want I mean, not how to set up apache.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Jason Johnson
<jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com> wrote:
> This site tells how to do it:
> http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/GettingSoftware/index.html
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:16 AM, David Zmick <dz0004455 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> if you run apache on your own local computer it really isnt much of a
>> hassle, then, once you get it running, you don't have to mess with it later,
>> and you wont have any trouble switching from your dev. environment to your
>> deployment environment.  I would use apache :)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM, David <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, I know that this question (in various forms) has been asked many times
>>> and I've seen all the discussions that google would show me but I still
>>> don't know how to get what I want.
>>> What I want is to be able to serve static files from seaside (or pier or
>>> Comanche or whatever) when I am *developing*.  When I push the site to
>>> production, I will be using Apache to serve the static files.  But while I
>>> am developing, it would be nice not to have to run Apace and just run
>>> Squeak.
>>> I have seen the instructions to make Comanche serve static files (e.g. in
>>> Brian Chapados' Pier Design Tutorial) and that does work.  My problem is
>>> that I have set setName, defaultName and ServerPath so that seaside/pier is
>>> *not* in the url.  But I don't know how to get Comanche to serve static
>>> files with those changes.
>>> Can anyone help?
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Zmick
>> /dz0004455\
>> http://dz0004455.googlepages.com
>> http://dz0004455.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>

From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 16:31:02 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:31:02 +0100
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <a49ceb00811110956ie3033dfk94a3b681b14a50ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3A7E0A06-2CB9-4B02-94B3-9332FE7BB239@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811100706m3d13662eg16b79a61f3902beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00811110229l48f9ec00q41595157f4a2b114@mail.gmail.com>
	<901A1961-3514-4C24-A6A8-0C888F85A850@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811110824t30967b85g36d68f5bd3cbdfa1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1088DD4B-35C5-46F6-8533-3418CD36E3D6@iam.unibe.ch>
	<a49ceb00811110956ie3033dfk94a3b681b14a50ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811120731u7adde837s64a484c0236c8447@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:56 PM, C?drick B?ler <cdrick65 at gmail.com> wrote:
> it works for me.
> Maybe this is due to the navigator cache...

hmm, I tried again and it works indeed?

-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 16:46:38 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:46:38 -0700
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>

Thanks Jason.  I've already seen these instructions.  The problem is  
that they don't work if you are running pier from / instead of / 
seaside/pier.

David

On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Jason Johnson wrote:

> This site tells how to do it:
> http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/GettingSoftware/index.html
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:16 AM, David Zmick <dz0004455 at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> if you run apache on your own local computer it really isnt much of a
>> hassle, then, once you get it running, you don't have to mess with  
>> it later,
>> and you wont have any trouble switching from your dev. environment  
>> to your
>> deployment environment.  I would use apache :)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM, David <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, I know that this question (in various forms) has been asked  
>>> many times
>>> and I've seen all the discussions that google would show me but I  
>>> still
>>> don't know how to get what I want.
>>> What I want is to be able to serve static files from seaside (or  
>>> pier or
>>> Comanche or whatever) when I am *developing*.  When I push the  
>>> site to
>>> production, I will be using Apache to serve the static files.  But  
>>> while I
>>> am developing, it would be nice not to have to run Apace and just  
>>> run
>>> Squeak.
>>> I have seen the instructions to make Comanche serve static files  
>>> (e.g. in
>>> Brian Chapados' Pier Design Tutorial) and that does work.  My  
>>> problem is
>>> that I have set setName, defaultName and ServerPath so that  
>>> seaside/pier is
>>> *not* in the url.  But I don't know how to get Comanche to serve  
>>> static
>>> files with those changes.
>>> Can anyone help?
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Zmick
>> /dz0004455\
>> http://dz0004455.googlepages.com
>> http://dz0004455.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:01:18 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:01:18 +0100
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811120801k1a767450u9b97d76a4d75b59c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Jason.  I've already seen these instructions.  The problem is
> that they don't work if you are running pier from / instead of /
> seaside/pier.

Did you try installing pier at the root of Kom ? (i.e. I guess
something like the ma alias: line, but with / instead of /seaside, and
pier selected as the default application in the seaside dispatcher ?

I don't know for sure that it should work, maybe having an application
at the root of Kom conflicts with serving files, but it's worth a try?

> On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Jason Johnson wrote:
>
>> This site tells how to do it:
>> http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/GettingSoftware/index.html
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:16 AM, David Zmick <dz0004455 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> if you run apache on your own local computer it really isnt much of a
>>> hassle, then, once you get it running, you don't have to mess with
>>> it later,
>>> and you wont have any trouble switching from your dev. environment
>>> to your
>>> deployment environment.  I would use apache :)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM, David <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, I know that this question (in various forms) has been asked
>>>> many times
>>>> and I've seen all the discussions that google would show me but I
>>>> still
>>>> don't know how to get what I want.
>>>> What I want is to be able to serve static files from seaside (or
>>>> pier or
>>>> Comanche or whatever) when I am *developing*.  When I push the
>>>> site to
>>>> production, I will be using Apache to serve the static files.  But
>>>> while I
>>>> am developing, it would be nice not to have to run Apace and just
>>>> run
>>>> Squeak.
>>>> I have seen the instructions to make Comanche serve static files
>>>> (e.g. in
>>>> Brian Chapados' Pier Design Tutorial) and that does work.  My
>>>> problem is
>>>> that I have set setName, defaultName and ServerPath so that
>>>> seaside/pier is
>>>> *not* in the url.  But I don't know how to get Comanche to serve
>>>> static
>>>> files with those changes.
>>>> Can anyone help?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Zmick
>>> /dz0004455\
>>> http://dz0004455.googlepages.com
>>> http://dz0004455.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:16:49 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:16:49 +0100
Subject: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Pier 1.0.17
In-Reply-To: <34b4844b0811120731u7adde837s64a484c0236c8447@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3A7E0A06-2CB9-4B02-94B3-9332FE7BB239@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811100706m3d13662eg16b79a61f3902beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<a49ceb00811110229l48f9ec00q41595157f4a2b114@mail.gmail.com>
	<901A1961-3514-4C24-A6A8-0C888F85A850@iam.unibe.ch>
	<34b4844b0811110824t30967b85g36d68f5bd3cbdfa1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1088DD4B-35C5-46F6-8533-3418CD36E3D6@iam.unibe.ch>
	<a49ceb00811110956ie3033dfk94a3b681b14a50ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b4844b0811120731u7adde837s64a484c0236c8447@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811120816i1ccfa0a2m2c26807a95f08688@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:56 PM, C?drick B?ler <cdrick65 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> it works for me.
>> Maybe this is due to the navigator cache...
>
> hmm, I tried again and it works indeed?

OK here's where it breaks? if I go to /seaside/config and change the
port and protocol for pier to 443 https, then the html from pier loads
fine, but the css timeouts.

-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:46:54 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:46:54 -0700
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <34b4844b0811120801k1a767450u9b97d76a4d75b59c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
	<34b4844b0811120801k1a767450u9b97d76a4d75b59c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0CC7B8-7921-474F-A183-88A598AD1584@gmail.com>


On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Damien Pollet wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Thanks Jason.  I've already seen these instructions.  The problem is
>> that they don't work if you are running pier from / instead of /
>> seaside/pier.
>
> Did you try installing pier at the root of Kom ? (i.e. I guess
> something like the ma alias: line, but with / instead of /seaside, and
> pier selected as the default application in the seaside dispatcher ?
>
> I don't know for sure that it should work, maybe having an application
> at the root of Kom conflicts with serving files, but it's worth a try?

Yes, I did try that but it didn't work.  I'm not going to spend  
anymore time on it right now.  If I come back to it later I'll post  
something to the list.

David



From jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 21:20:47 2008
From: jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com (Jason Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:20:47 +0100
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa22f0200811121220k54348487mef7f7de07cf5c7eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Jason.  I've already seen these instructions.  The problem is
> that they don't work if you are running pier from / instead of /
> seaside/pier.
>
> David

Ok, so you set the first MA module (or whatever it's called) to / and
pier?  Then you set something like   /images to static service?  I
would expect that to work because I think I have the opposite (/ is
static, /pier is pier) and it works.  But I would have to check, maybe
if you set anything to / then nothing else works?  I think the author
of Komm is on the list.

From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 21:42:46 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:42:46 -0700
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <aa22f0200811121220k54348487mef7f7de07cf5c7eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811121220k54348487mef7f7de07cf5c7eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C3F6A60-1461-45A4-A98B-D329FC27FAA2@gmail.com>


On Nov 12, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Jason Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Thanks Jason.  I've already seen these instructions.  The problem is
>> that they don't work if you are running pier from / instead of /
>> seaside/pier.
>>
>> David
>
> Ok, so you set the first MA module (or whatever it's called) to / and
> pier?  Then you set something like   /images to static service?  I
> would expect that to work because I think I have the opposite (/ is
> static, /pier is pier) and it works.  But I would have to check, maybe
> if you set anything to / then nothing else works?  I think the author
> of Komm is on the list.

Here is what I did:

| ma seaside |
     seaside := WAKom default.
     ma := ModuleAssembly core.
     ma serverRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')  
fullName.
     ma alias: '/' to: [ma addPlug: [:request | seaside process:
   request]].
     ma documentRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')  
fullName.
     ma serveFiles.
     (HttpService startOn: 8080 named: 'httpd') plug: ma rootModule

This serves static files and serves the root pier page (i.e localhost: 
8080/), but I get Not Found for any interior pier pages (i.e.  
localhost:8080/blog).

David


From jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 06:53:52 2008
From: jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com (Jason Johnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:53:52 +0100
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <0C3F6A60-1461-45A4-A98B-D329FC27FAA2@gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811121220k54348487mef7f7de07cf5c7eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C3F6A60-1461-45A4-A98B-D329FC27FAA2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa22f0200811122153q4643e64s181169349830c967@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:42 PM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is what I did:
>
> | ma seaside |
>     seaside := WAKom default.
>     ma := ModuleAssembly core.
>     ma serverRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')
> fullName.
>     ma alias: '/' to: [ma addPlug: [:request | seaside process:
>   request]].
>     ma documentRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')
> fullName.
>     ma serveFiles.
>     (HttpService startOn: 8080 named: 'httpd') plug: ma rootModule
>
> This serves static files and serves the root pier page (i.e localhost:
> 8080/), but I get Not Found for any interior pier pages (i.e.
> localhost:8080/blog).
>
> David

I'm not sure, but I think you would need another alias for the static
folder.  Because normally (at least in other servers, which Komm seems
to be based loosely on) DocumentRoot is what / will point to, but
since you have used an alias to point that somewhere else I think you
would need another alias (e.g. /images) to point to the file system.
Also, do you have an actual directory called "static" somewhere on the
filesystem?

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 11:43:58 2008
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:43:58 +0000
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <aa22f0200811122153q4643e64s181169349830c967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>	<aa22f0200811121220k54348487mef7f7de07cf5c7eb@mail.gmail.com>	<0C3F6A60-1461-45A4-A98B-D329FC27FAA2@gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811122153q4643e64s181169349830c967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491C04EE.3010804@yahoo.co.uk>

Jason Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:42 PM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Here is what I did:
>>
>> | ma seaside |
>>     seaside := WAKom default.
>>     ma := ModuleAssembly core.
>>     ma serverRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')
>> fullName.
>>     ma alias: '/' to: [ma addPlug: [:request | seaside process:
>>   request]].
>>     ma documentRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')
>> fullName.
>>     ma serveFiles.
>>     (HttpService startOn: 8080 named: 'httpd') plug: ma rootModule
>>
>> This serves static files and serves the root pier page (i.e localhost:
>> 8080/), but I get Not Found for any interior pier pages (i.e.
>> localhost:8080/blog).
>>
>> David
>>     
>
> I'm not sure, but I think you would need another alias for the static
> folder.  Because normally (at least in other servers, which Komm seems
> to be based loosely on) DocumentRoot is what / will point to, but
> since you have used an alias to point that somewhere else I think you
> would need another alias (e.g. /images) to point to the file system.
> Also, do you have an actual directory called "static" somewhere on the
> filesystem?
>
>   
Seaside28Jetsam from squeaksource project Jetsam, it has a version of
WAFileLibrary which serves files form disk

Keith

From jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:55:24 2008
From: jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com (Jason Johnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:55:24 +0100
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <491C04EE.3010804@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811121220k54348487mef7f7de07cf5c7eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C3F6A60-1461-45A4-A98B-D329FC27FAA2@gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811122153q4643e64s181169349830c967@mail.gmail.com>
	<491C04EE.3010804@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <aa22f0200811131255n40066e33x8d8c4ddce7dd0519@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
> Seaside28Jetsam from squeaksource project Jetsam, it has a version of
> WAFileLibrary which serves files form disk
>
> Keith

Thanks Keith, but in this case it wont be needed because he just wants
Komms normal ability to serve static files.

From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 00:00:07 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:00:07 -0700
Subject: Serving static files
In-Reply-To: <aa22f0200811122153q4643e64s181169349830c967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19D217EE-1740-4912-B05B-51CEE08B3305@gmail.com>
	<185b8120811101826ibb0a9b8n301fa8b6090a32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c06c4b6b0811102016v553afbb2g16e4ba95d822a307@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811112118h3711ffafhc9be37c840bb5754@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8544331-27E4-446E-BD10-003B4136F59B@gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811121220k54348487mef7f7de07cf5c7eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C3F6A60-1461-45A4-A98B-D329FC27FAA2@gmail.com>
	<aa22f0200811122153q4643e64s181169349830c967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDD49CB6-DDFE-47F7-986F-89B75E0110A4@gmail.com>


On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Jason Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:42 PM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Here is what I did:
>>
>> | ma seaside |
>>    seaside := WAKom default.
>>    ma := ModuleAssembly core.
>>    ma serverRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')
>> fullName.
>>    ma alias: '/' to: [ma addPlug: [:request | seaside process:
>>  request]].
>>    ma documentRoot: (FileDirectory default directoryNamed: 'static')
>> fullName.
>>    ma serveFiles.
>>    (HttpService startOn: 8080 named: 'httpd') plug: ma rootModule
>>
>> This serves static files and serves the root pier page (i.e  
>> localhost:
>> 8080/), but I get Not Found for any interior pier pages (i.e.
>> localhost:8080/blog).
>>
>> David
>
> I'm not sure, but I think you would need another alias for the static
> folder.  Because normally (at least in other servers, which Komm seems
> to be based loosely on) DocumentRoot is what / will point to, but
> since you have used an alias to point that somewhere else I think you
> would need another alias (e.g. /images) to point to the file system.
> Also, do you have an actual directory called "static" somewhere on the
> filesystem?

Yes, I didn't think the DocumentRoot/ServerRoot settings were really  
what I wanted to do, but I decided (for the time being) that it wasn't  
worth my time to pursue.  I will try to come back and take another  
crack at it later.

Note, though, that with the setup above, the problem is accessing Pier  
pages.  It serves static files just fine.

David


From alexandre at bergel.eu  Fri Nov 14 12:48:20 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:48:20 -0300
Subject: URL
Message-ID: <3C8F040A-B4D6-4BA3-AFE1-D5BD7A33BCEA@bergel.eu>

Dear List,

How can I change the URL from: http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier 
  to http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st
I tried to tweak a bit in the setting, but did not succeed.

By the way, in the part of the world where I am currently located, the  
website looks slow. Any of you can give me his/her impression from  
Europe or the US?

Cheers,
Alexandre
-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 12:54:24 2008
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:54:24 +0100
Subject: URL
In-Reply-To: <3C8F040A-B4D6-4BA3-AFE1-D5BD7A33BCEA@bergel.eu>
References: <3C8F040A-B4D6-4BA3-AFE1-D5BD7A33BCEA@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <66666f210811140354j7871c35at5f2d8a3c37954d64@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu>:
> Dear List,
>
> How can I change the URL from: http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>  to http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st
> I tried to tweak a bit in the setting, but did not succeed.
>
> By the way, in the part of the world where I am currently located, the
> website looks slow. Any of you can give me his/her impression from
> Europe or the US?

It looks like CSS and JS files are not cached and have to be
downloaded for every request.

You also have an encoding error on:
http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier/organization

Cheers
Philippe

From avanos at xs4all.nl  Fri Nov 14 12:58:12 2008
From: avanos at xs4all.nl (Adriaan van Os)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:58:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: URL
Message-ID: <10653.193.173.83.5.1226663892.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>


> Dear List,
>
> How can I change the URL from:
> http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>   to http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st
> I tried to tweak a bit in the setting, but did not succeed.

Go to Pier config screen and set the Server Path to '/'.

[..]

hth,
Adriaan.

-- 
http://www.a3aan.st


From renggli at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 13:06:25 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:06:25 +0100
Subject: URL
In-Reply-To: <10653.193.173.83.5.1226663892.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <10653.193.173.83.5.1226663892.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <67628d690811140406g5fdb728cp86484d12c4936ade@mail.gmail.com>

There is also a FAQ entry on www.seasidehosting.st that discusses how
to setup an image accordingly.

Lukas

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Adriaan van Os <avanos at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How can I change the URL from:
>> http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>>   to http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st
>> I tried to tweak a bit in the setting, but did not succeed.
>
> Go to Pier config screen and set the Server Path to '/'.
>
> [..]
>
> hth,
> Adriaan.
>
> --
> http://www.a3aan.st
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From alexandre at bergel.eu  Fri Nov 14 14:22:51 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:22:51 -0300
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
Message-ID: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>

Dear List,

I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference software  
composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days already.
When I google: software composition 2009
I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?  
I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using  
pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
Anyone can confirm this please?

Regards,
Alexandre
-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From alexandre at bergel.eu  Fri Nov 14 14:28:09 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:28:09 -0300
Subject: URL
In-Reply-To: <66666f210811140354j7871c35at5f2d8a3c37954d64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C8F040A-B4D6-4BA3-AFE1-D5BD7A33BCEA@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140354j7871c35at5f2d8a3c37954d64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA2C712-9466-4D7C-99E2-9B3809D33F6D@bergel.eu>

Hi Philippe,

Is there a way to fix that?

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 14 Nov 2008, at 08:54, Philippe Marschall wrote:

> 2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu>:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How can I change the URL from: http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>> to http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st
>> I tried to tweak a bit in the setting, but did not succeed.
>>
>> By the way, in the part of the world where I am currently located,  
>> the
>> website looks slow. Any of you can give me his/her impression from
>> Europe or the US?
>
> It looks like CSS and JS files are not cached and have to be
> downloaded for every request.
>
> You also have an encoding error on:
> http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier/organization
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 14:30:30 2008
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:30:30 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu>:
> Dear List,
>
> I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference software
> composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days already.
> When I google: software composition 2009
> I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?
> I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using
> pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
> Anyone can confirm this please?

You can try:
http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier
but that requires access to the Apache.

Cheers
Philippe

From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 14:57:26 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:57:26 +0100
Subject: URL
In-Reply-To: <10653.193.173.83.5.1226663892.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <10653.193.173.83.5.1226663892.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811140557s6809f0ffg2da5e36502e16eab@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Adriaan van Os <avanos at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Go to Pier config screen and set the Server Path to '/'.

I'm curious, how does that work on seaside hosting?
Because the server path only influences the way seaside generates
URLs, right ? If you do that without adjusting the apache config
accordingly, you end up with pier listening on
http://host/seaside/pier* but generating URLs for http://host/*?

-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From avanos at xs4all.nl  Fri Nov 14 15:01:32 2008
From: avanos at xs4all.nl (Adriaan van Os)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:01:32 +0100 (CET)
Subject: URL
Message-ID: <7867.193.173.83.5.1226671292.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Damien,

Uhh. I'm afraid your right. I ignored the seaside hosting part as I host
my own.

Adriaan.

> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Adriaan van Os <avanos at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Go to Pier config screen and set the Server Path to '/'.
>
> I'm curious, how does that work on seaside hosting?
> Because the server path only influences the way seaside generates
> URLs, right ? If you do that without adjusting the apache config
> accordingly, you end up with pier listening on
> http://host/seaside/pier* but generating URLs for http://host/*???
>
> --
> Damien Pollet
> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>


-- 
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From alexandre at bergel.eu  Fri Nov 14 16:23:21 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:23:21 -0300
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66BC545F-C8F6-4652-B73A-1930C7959C2E@bergel.eu>

Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed  
by google ?
I hope this is not the case...

Alexandre


On 14 Nov 2008, at 10:30, Philippe Marschall wrote:

> 2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu>:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference  
>> software
>> composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days  
>> already.
>> When I google: software composition 2009
>> I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?
>> I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using
>> pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
>> Anyone can confirm this please?
>
> You can try:
> http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier
> but that requires access to the Apache.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From alexandre at bergel.eu  Fri Nov 14 16:30:14 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:30:14 -0300
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>

Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed  
by google ?
I hope this is not the case...

We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/
This will help in getting indexed by google?

Alexandre


On 14 Nov 2008, at 10:30, Philippe Marschall wrote:

> 2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu>:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference  
>> software
>> composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days  
>> already.
>> When I google: software composition 2009
>> I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?
>> I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using
>> pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
>> Anyone can confirm this please?
>
> You can try:
> http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier
> but that requires access to the Apache.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

-- 
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Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 19:43:19 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:43:19 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu> wrote:
> Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed
> by google ?
> I hope this is not the case...

No. But it will index URLs with different seaside keys as different
pages, instead of ignoring the keys (if I'm understanding correctly)

> We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/
> This will help in getting indexed by google?

Depends what you mean by redirection. The links on the web site point
to seasidehosting but the URL bar in the browser stays on the URL
above so I'm not sure what it's doing.

In any case, it would help if the sitemap plugin in pier was
automatically listening on a "correct" url like
/seaside/pier/sitemap.xml. Probably just a matter of giving that name
to the structure, but I'm not sure if the SitemapDownloadPlainView
command will be set accordingly?

-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From alexandre at bergel.eu  Sat Nov 15 02:27:04 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:27:04 -0300
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>

>> Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be  
>> indexed
>> by google ?
>> I hope this is not the case...
>
> No. But it will index URLs with different seaside keys as different
> pages, instead of ignoring the keys (if I'm understanding correctly)

This means that the website will not be well ranked

>> We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/
>> This will help in getting indexed by google?
>
> Depends what you mean by redirection. The links on the web site point
> to seasidehosting but the URL bar in the browser stays on the URL
> above so I'm not sure what it's doing.
>
> In any case, it would help if the sitemap plugin in pier was
> automatically listening on a "correct" url like
> /seaside/pier/sitemap.xml. Probably just a matter of giving that name
> to the structure, but I'm not sure if the SitemapDownloadPlainView
> command will be set accordingly?

But Apache is needed for this no ? And Seasidehosting does not use it  
it seems to...

Alexandre
-- 
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Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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From dick.smit at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 15 05:18:50 2008
From: dick.smit at shaw.ca (Dick Smit)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:18:50 -0700
Subject: Pier on Visualworks
Message-ID: <491E4DAA.9070503@shaw.ca>

I am excited about trying Pier, but I have a bit of an investment in 
code I have written in Visualworks 7.6 versus Squeak.

I tried loading the Pier bundle from the Cincom public repository, but 
got lots of errors.

I found that if I pre-loaded Magritte, things went a little better, but 
I am still getting errors.

Is the Visualworks version of Pier a dead end?  Am I missing some 
dependencies?  Should I use an older version of Visualworks?  Should I 
just port my code over to Squeak?

If the Pier bundle on the Cincom public repository is good, then let me 
know and I'll post my specific errors to try to work through it.

Thank-you.



From renggli at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 08:40:47 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:40:47 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>

> But Apache is needed for this no ? And Seasidehosting does not use it
> it seems to...

Did you read the FAQ?

seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From renggli at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 08:49:50 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:49:50 +0100
Subject: Pier on Visualworks
In-Reply-To: <491E4DAA.9070503@shaw.ca>
References: <491E4DAA.9070503@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <67628d690811142349p4ae81314h11cec3352f11124d@mail.gmail.com>

Magritte is definitely a prerequisite for Pier. Very likely you also
need Seaside too. There should be no other dependencies. I don't know
the details for VisualWorks though. If I remember correctly Michel
Bany and Niall Ross both worked on the port, maybe they can help?

Lukas

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Dick Smit <dick.smit at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I am excited about trying Pier, but I have a bit of an investment in
> code I have written in Visualworks 7.6 versus Squeak.
>
> I tried loading the Pier bundle from the Cincom public repository, but
> got lots of errors.
>
> I found that if I pre-loaded Magritte, things went a little better, but
> I am still getting errors.
>
> Is the Visualworks version of Pier a dead end?  Am I missing some
> dependencies?  Should I use an older version of Visualworks?  Should I
> just port my code over to Squeak?
>
> If the Pier bundle on the Cincom public repository is good, then let me
> know and I'll post my specific errors to try to work through it.
>
> Thank-you.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From chaetal at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 15:16:48 2008
From: chaetal at gmail.com (Dennis Schetinin)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:16:48 +0300
Subject: Pier on Visualworks
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811142349p4ae81314h11cec3352f11124d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491E4DAA.9070503@shaw.ca>
	<67628d690811142349p4ae81314h11cec3352f11124d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84f77e270811150616g17ecffd0wffa1086858f02bfa@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com>

> Magritte is definitely a prerequisite for Pier. Very likely you also
> need Seaside too. There should be no other dependencies. I don't know
> the details for VisualWorks though. If I remember correctly Michel
> Bany and Niall Ross both worked on the port, maybe they can help?
>
> Lukas
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Dick Smit <dick.smit at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > I am excited about trying Pier, but I have a bit of an investment in
> > code I have written in Visualworks 7.6 versus Squeak.
> >
> > I tried loading the Pier bundle from the Cincom public repository, but
> > got lots of errors.
> >
> > I found that if I pre-loaded Magritte, things went a little better, but
> > I am still getting errors.
> >
> > Is the Visualworks version of Pier a dead end?  Am I missing some
> > dependencies?  Should I use an older version of Visualworks?  Should I
> > just port my code over to Squeak?
> >
> > If the Pier bundle on the Cincom public repository is good, then let me
> > know and I'll post my specific errors to try to work through it.
>

I don't remember if I had any problems loading Magritte, but there's small
issue with Pier in VW.
BTW, the order was: Seaside, then Magritte, then Pier (if I remember
correctly).

So, the problem: there's reference to *SeasideInstallationOptions* in
*Pier.PRPierFrame
class>>initialize*. But there's no *SeasideInstallationOptions* in VW port
of Seaside (anymore?).

Actually the correspoding error during installation can be just ignored
(using "Jump To Caret" option in debugger for example) followed by "manual"
registration of Pier thereafter (e.g. using *
         self registerAsApplication: 'pier' kernel: (PRKernel named: 'Pier')
*
for default values).

Anyway, it would be nice to have recent versions of Pier in VW (the one in
Cincom Public Repository is more than a year old)... :)


-- 
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From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 00:28:41 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:28:41 -0700
Subject: Row Alternation
Message-ID: <C8F294C4-EC4B-48A1-86C2-4FA1CCFFE7D4@gmail.com>

Here's a little change set I whipped up today.  It annotates Table  
rows with 'class=odd' or 'class=even' so that you can apply css to  
color alternate rows.  Comments, criticisms, etc., welcome.

David

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From damien.cassou at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 07:59:51 2008
From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:59:51 +0100
Subject: Row Alternation
In-Reply-To: <C8F294C4-EC4B-48A1-86C2-4FA1CCFFE7D4@gmail.com>
References: <C8F294C4-EC4B-48A1-86C2-4FA1CCFFE7D4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ac749c10811172259o49a3cdcv517f1027ec244918@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:28 AM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a little change set I whipped up today.  It annotates Table rows with
> 'class=odd' or 'class=even' so that you can apply css to color alternate
> rows.  Comments, criticisms, etc., welcome.

Part of your code reads:

visitTableRow: anObject
	html tableRow
		class: (anObject rowAlternation isNil ifFalse: [ anObject rowAlternation ]);
		with: [ super visitTableRow: anObject ]


class: (anObject rowAlternation isNil ifFalse: [ anObject rowAlternation ])

seems to be equivalent to:

class: anObject rowAlternation

which seems wrong because you will add a nil class in some cases.

What about:

html tableRow
		class: anObject rowAlternation if: anObject rowAlternation notNil


-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 08:41:52 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:41:52 +0100
Subject: Row Alternation
In-Reply-To: <6ac749c10811172259o49a3cdcv517f1027ec244918@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8F294C4-EC4B-48A1-86C2-4FA1CCFFE7D4@gmail.com>
	<6ac749c10811172259o49a3cdcv517f1027ec244918@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690811172341s5ffe4d7dh8b2969e45f720143@mail.gmail.com>

#withIndexDo: is not portable to Smalltalk dialects other than
Squeak/Pharo (see Seaside coding guidelines).

Also this feature should be purely a thing in PRViewRenderer. I don't
think that should be stored in the document model.

Lukas

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:28 AM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here's a little change set I whipped up today.  It annotates Table rows with
>> 'class=odd' or 'class=even' so that you can apply css to color alternate
>> rows.  Comments, criticisms, etc., welcome.
>
> Part of your code reads:
>
> visitTableRow: anObject
>        html tableRow
>                class: (anObject rowAlternation isNil ifFalse: [ anObject rowAlternation ]);
>                with: [ super visitTableRow: anObject ]
>
>
> class: (anObject rowAlternation isNil ifFalse: [ anObject rowAlternation ])
>
> seems to be equivalent to:
>
> class: anObject rowAlternation
>
> which seems wrong because you will add a nil class in some cases.
>
> What about:
>
> html tableRow
>                class: anObject rowAlternation if: anObject rowAlternation notNil
>
>
> --
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From damien.cassou at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:15:18 2008
From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:15:18 +0100
Subject: Photo gallery?
Message-ID: <6ac749c10811180215g4f8d911bt3f949792be55d76@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

is there any photo gallery available for Pier? I mean a widget where I
could upload pictures and they are rendered in a nice way. I started
one 4 years ago but I abandoned it.

Bye

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:22:47 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:22:47 +0100
Subject: Photo gallery?
In-Reply-To: <6ac749c10811180215g4f8d911bt3f949792be55d76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ac749c10811180215g4f8d911bt3f949792be55d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690811180222o60a07caq5df037245c8196f7@mail.gmail.com>

> is there any photo gallery available for Pier? I mean a widget where I
> could upload pictures and they are rendered in a nice way. I started
> one 4 years ago but I abandoned it.

There were several people starting a project like that, but non got completed.

I don't think that there is a working version. I could use such a
plugin for my own gallery too.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:51:10 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:51:10 -0700
Subject: Row Alternation
In-Reply-To: <6ac749c10811172259o49a3cdcv517f1027ec244918@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8F294C4-EC4B-48A1-86C2-4FA1CCFFE7D4@gmail.com>
	<6ac749c10811172259o49a3cdcv517f1027ec244918@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26DD0506-E049-439F-ACBB-8DC9BF343B32@gmail.com>


On Nov 17, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Damien Cassou wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:28 AM, David Farber <rdrvr.biz at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Here's a little change set I whipped up today.  It annotates Table  
>> rows with
>> 'class=odd' or 'class=even' so that you can apply css to color  
>> alternate
>> rows.  Comments, criticisms, etc., welcome.
>
> Part of your code reads:
>
> visitTableRow: anObject
> 	html tableRow
> 		class: (anObject rowAlternation isNil ifFalse: [ anObject  
> rowAlternation ]);
> 		with: [ super visitTableRow: anObject ]
>
>
> class: (anObject rowAlternation isNil ifFalse: [ anObject  
> rowAlternation ])
>
> seems to be equivalent to:
>
> class: anObject rowAlternation
>
> which seems wrong because you will add a nil class in some cases.

You are right--the ifFalse is redundant.  I originally had more  
complicated logic to try to avoid a nil argument to class:.

> What about:
>
> html tableRow
> 		class: anObject rowAlternation if: anObject rowAlternation notNil

Cool.  I didn't see class:if:.

Thanks,
David


From rdrvr.biz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:54:05 2008
From: rdrvr.biz at gmail.com (David Farber)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:54:05 -0700
Subject: Row Alternation
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811172341s5ffe4d7dh8b2969e45f720143@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8F294C4-EC4B-48A1-86C2-4FA1CCFFE7D4@gmail.com>
	<6ac749c10811172259o49a3cdcv517f1027ec244918@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690811172341s5ffe4d7dh8b2969e45f720143@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA748364-4A9A-40BB-8BB2-9EF5E9F9357D@gmail.com>

On Nov 18, 2008, at 12:41 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> #withIndexDo: is not portable to Smalltalk dialects other than
> Squeak/Pharo (see Seaside coding guidelines).\

Ugh.

> Also this feature should be purely a thing in PRViewRenderer. I don't
> think that should be stored in the document model.

I'd be interested to hear more about why you think that.

David


From alexandre at bergel.eu  Tue Nov 18 18:24:32 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:24:32 -0300
Subject: How to add a new user in Pier?
Message-ID: <1C55A670-E323-4A40-8BF5-8D6D1632B1CE@bergel.eu>

Hi!

I added one user once, but I forgot how I did it. I tried to add  
another one, but I am unlucky so far. Here is what I tried:
	- In _System Management, I press "add", but it seems I can add a page  
there, but not a user
	- In _System Management, I press "edit", this is to modify the page  
_System Management
	- In _System Management, "Setting" does not seem to let one add users

	- In  _System Management/Users, pressing "add" is to add a page. I do  
not know what this mean.
	- In  _System Management/Users, pressing "edit" is to edit the  
component page.
	- In  _System Management/Users, pressing "setting" is to set  
something else than users.

I tried similar "add/edit/setting" on Group, I haven't found the way  
to add a user.

Am I doing something completely wrong? Is Pier suitable for a  
conference website ?

Cheers,
Alexandre

-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:17:44 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:17:44 +0100
Subject: How to add a new user in Pier?
In-Reply-To: <1C55A670-E323-4A40-8BF5-8D6D1632B1CE@bergel.eu>
References: <1C55A670-E323-4A40-8BF5-8D6D1632B1CE@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <67628d690811181117n2173a774kbc96838e9b089edc@mail.gmail.com>

> Am I doing something completely wrong?

There are the Seaside components 'System Users' and 'System Groups' to
show a list of users and groups. These components can be added to Pier
and allow adding, editing and deleting users.

Then you have three commands "Change Owner", "Change Group" and
"Change Other". Select the page you want to change from the tree (e.g.
the root page) and select "Change Owner". Check "Recursive", i.e.
change all sub-structures as well. Select "Admin" from the
Owner-Select-Box to make Admin the owner of everything. As Operator
you want to have "Set". Finally you can specify the access to the
different available commands for that user.

It is exactly like an unix system, just with objects.

> Is Pier suitable for a conference website ?

People have used it for that kind of sites.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 23:18:33 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:18:33 +0100
Subject: How to add a new user in Pier?
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811181117n2173a774kbc96838e9b089edc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1C55A670-E323-4A40-8BF5-8D6D1632B1CE@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811181117n2173a774kbc96838e9b089edc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811181418l6da690ebqba19e7784d67bcb6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is exactly like an unix system, just with objects.

I think people don't have too many problems with the
unix-filesystem-of-objects concept.
In my experience, what I find most confusing is the modality of the
commands, and separation of similar commands:

- change user/group/other: this cake was cut in the other direction
compared to chmod/chown

- copy and move: I could see them merged, after all mv/cp/ln are kind
of polymorphic in the way they are used

- edit/settings/edit design: for PRPages, title is in edit, but
navigation title is in settings, and the structure name was in move or
add; tags would have their place in the edit dialog, and the
environment/css are redundant with edit design

Of course the commands make sense individually because of the pattern
in the overall design, but that doesn't mean they map to a nice
interaction language for the user.

0.02 euros mine
-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 23:51:55 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:51:55 +0100
Subject: How to add a new user in Pier?
In-Reply-To: <34b4844b0811181418l6da690ebqba19e7784d67bcb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1C55A670-E323-4A40-8BF5-8D6D1632B1CE@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811181117n2173a774kbc96838e9b089edc@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b4844b0811181418l6da690ebqba19e7784d67bcb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690811181451i732a7b9asc0c903f932c18ddc@mail.gmail.com>

> In my experience, what I find most confusing is the modality of the
> commands, and separation of similar commands:
>
> - change user/group/other: this cake was cut in the other direction
> compared to chmod/chown
>
> - copy and move: I could see them merged, after all mv/cp/ln are kind
> of polymorphic in the way they are used
>
> - edit/settings/edit design: for PRPages, title is in edit, but
> navigation title is in settings, and the structure name was in move or
> add; tags would have their place in the edit dialog, and the
> environment/css are redundant with edit design

Actually, each of these command groups shares an individual common superclass.

- The original version of Pier-Security used to have a split according
to chmod/chown/chgrp, however in pratice it has shown to be less
meaningful and forcing users to apply different commands for one
action. I found this split very powerful for sites like ese.unibe.ch
where there are many different groups (admin, assistant, student,
team-1, team-2, team-3, team-4) and lots of different users.

- Indeed copy/move are extremely similar (we should have links too). I
don't think that there would be a win if they would be merged. Copying
and moving is something very different.

- The split between edit and settings is somehow arbitrary, but it
makes perfectly sense if you are not the only one editing the site.
Editing is something editors do, designers need more rights and the
admins want to change different things. The navigation title is
something you don't want normal editors to change on the front-pages,
however it defaults to the page title so for pages lower in the tree
it works well. Personally I never use the edit design command, it only
provides access to a subset of possibilities one has with
environments. It does not work if you have many different designs on
one site.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From damien.pollet at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 14:43:59 2008
From: damien.pollet at gmail.com (Damien Pollet)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:43:59 +0100
Subject: How to add a new user in Pier?
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811181451i732a7b9asc0c903f932c18ddc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1C55A670-E323-4A40-8BF5-8D6D1632B1CE@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811181117n2173a774kbc96838e9b089edc@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b4844b0811181418l6da690ebqba19e7784d67bcb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690811181451i732a7b9asc0c903f932c18ddc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b4844b0811190543m3e324cg3f0a707c9eea9cc1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
> - The original version of Pier-Security used to have a split according
> to chmod/chown/chgrp, however in pratice it has shown to be less
> meaningful and forcing users to apply different commands for one
> action. I found this split very powerful for sites like ese.unibe.ch
> where there are many different groups (admin, assistant, student,
> team-1, team-2, team-3, team-4) and lots of different users.

Makes sense. Maybe it's just a problem of presentation then, or
providing links, e.g. so that you don't lose focus when you want to
change the owner of a page, and "oh right, I need to create it before,
with an associated group"

> - Indeed copy/move are extremely similar (we should have links too). I

I'm not sure what links would be, just a page that includes its target stucture?

> don't think that there would be a win if they would be merged. Copying
> and moving is something very different.

What if the command arguments were presented as a sentence with
pre-filled holes instead of a key-value table?
E.g. [move/copy] this structure to [./my-current-page-copy     ]
But indeed, if you want to have template pages, it would be nice to
block move and edit for standard users, and only allow them to copy
it.

> - The split between edit and settings is somehow arbitrary, but it
> makes perfectly sense if you are not the only one editing the site.

Would it be possible to have a composite command that presents the
three interfaces (filtered according to rights) in one page, then
applies the individual commands? Pushed to the extreme, that would
allow per-property accessor commands at the security/persistency
level, grouped by whatever makes sense at the user level?


-- 
Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet


From alexandre at bergel.eu  Mon Nov 24 20:47:47 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:47:47 -0300
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>

> Did you read the FAQ?

The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of  
questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"

> seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
> seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.

Googling: software composition 2009
does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org

Am I not sure where the problem come from.
My page comes first where I put a link on it.
I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org

Is this normal?

Cheers,
Alexandre

-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From renggli at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 21:03:43 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:03:43 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>

> Googling: software composition 2009
> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Is this normal?

I don't know what you are talking about?

It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody, as
Google provides different results  depending on your personal profile.

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From glpunzi at lordzealon.com  Mon Nov 24 21:21:58 2008
From: glpunzi at lordzealon.com (Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:21:58 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <C554401C-4182-4EB2-92E8-2B485502CB4E@lordzealon.com>

Are you sure?

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El 24/11/2008, a las 20:47, Alexandre Bergel escribi?:

>> Did you read the FAQ?
>
> The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of
> questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"
>
>> seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
>> seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.
>
> Googling: software composition 2009
> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Is this normal?
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Mon Nov 24 21:27:35 2008
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:27:35 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44388456-5CE1-4448-ADC9-D1C765E6D107@iam.unibe.ch>

this is the same for me
On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> software composition 2009


From adi at netstyle.ch  Mon Nov 24 21:33:44 2008
From: adi at netstyle.ch (Adrian Lienhard)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:33:44 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <7417DF58-ACC4-4830-AA9F-FF023A6E779B@netstyle.ch>

Hi Alex

Here are some suggestions:
- make as many important sites as possible link to your site (your  
page rank is 0..)
- provide a sitemap.xml and link it from robots.txt
- with Google webmaster tools regster the sitemap.xml
- do not use frames (this is last century ;))
- add more content so that the important keywords are included in the  
text
- add meta keywords and a description

HTH,
Adrian

On Nov 24, 2008, at 20:47 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:

>> Did you read the FAQ?
>
> The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of
> questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"
>
>> seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
>> seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.
>
> Googling: software composition 2009
> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Is this normal?
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 22:05:40 2008
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:05:40 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <7417DF58-ACC4-4830-AA9F-FF023A6E779B@netstyle.ch>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<7417DF58-ACC4-4830-AA9F-FF023A6E779B@netstyle.ch>
Message-ID: <66666f210811241305x4e727d94laf4e55bab3e37a70@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/24, Adrian Lienhard <adi at netstyle.ch>:
> Hi Alex
>
> Here are some suggestions:
> - make as many important sites as possible link to your site (your
> page rank is 0..)
> - provide a sitemap.xml and link it from robots.txt
> - with Google webmaster tools regster the sitemap.xml

- have a look at the feedback Google webmaster tools provides

Cheers
Philippe

From alexandre at bergel.eu  Tue Nov 25 04:31:33 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:31:33 -0300
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>

Google enable one to enter link for a given set of keywords. I added  
them this morning. Maybe this is why now.
But I have completely different results than what Giuseppe showed...  
amazing

Alexandre


On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:03, Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> Googling: software composition 2009
>> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>
>> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
>> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
>> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>
>> Is this normal?
>
> I don't know what you are talking about?
>
> It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody, as
> Google provides different results  depending on your personal profile.
>
> Lukas
>
> -- 
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

-- 
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.






From gdaniq at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 08:50:39 2008
From: gdaniq at gmail.com (Baskakov Daniel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:50:39 +0300
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <74d63d0811242350wf9c6676qf8cb7fa997dc45f4@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages
(Metas, Pier Syntax etc.).
Is it a security problem?

Daniel.


2008/11/25 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu>:
> Google enable one to enter link for a given set of keywords. I added
> them this morning. Maybe this is why now.
> But I have completely different results than what Giuseppe showed...
> amazing
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:03, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>>> Googling: software composition 2009
>>> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
>>> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
>>> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Is this normal?
>>
>> I don't know what you are talking about?
>>
>> It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody, as
>> Google provides different results  depending on your personal profile.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> --
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 09:39:50 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:39:50 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <74d63d0811242350wf9c6676qf8cb7fa997dc45f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>
	<74d63d0811242350wf9c6676qf8cb7fa997dc45f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67628d690811250039k3dfb660bm20428a92f4f05339@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Baskakov Daniel <gdaniq at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages
> (Metas, Pier Syntax etc.).
> Is it a security problem?

It is not strictly a bug, because the inner pages are not hidden.
Hoever it is a bit strange from the end user perspective, so I changed
the widgets to not display structures that have a hidden parent. At
the same time I simplified the settings for the highlighting.

Name: Pier-Seaside-lr.320
Author: lr
Time: 25 November 2008, 9:38:14 am
UUID: 7c980953-92ea-4105-8e92-7b5d026bd2b1
Ancestors: Pier-Seaside-lr.319

- do not display a structure in the widget if one of the parents is hidden
- removed properties highlight and highlight path, instead add the
classes 'active' and 'path' if appropriate

Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Nov 25 09:44:05 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:44:05 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811250039k3dfb660bm20428a92f4f05339@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>
	<74d63d0811242350wf9c6676qf8cb7fa997dc45f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690811250039k3dfb660bm20428a92f4f05339@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A5E22D-4666-4504-A924-7D349A53433D@iam.unibe.ch>

He, that is a nice one. I have been thinking about adding a searchable  
checkbox, but I think this solution is simpler and should work just  
fine.

Cheers,
Doru


On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Baskakov Daniel <gdaniq at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages
>> (Metas, Pier Syntax etc.).
>> Is it a security problem?
>
> It is not strictly a bug, because the inner pages are not hidden.
> Hoever it is a bit strange from the end user perspective, so I changed
> the widgets to not display structures that have a hidden parent. At
> the same time I simplified the settings for the highlighting.
>
> Name: Pier-Seaside-lr.320
> Author: lr
> Time: 25 November 2008, 9:38:14 am
> UUID: 7c980953-92ea-4105-8e92-7b5d026bd2b1
> Ancestors: Pier-Seaside-lr.319
>
> - do not display a structure in the widget if one of the parents is  
> hidden
> - removed properties highlight and highlight path, instead add the
> classes 'active' and 'path' if appropriate
>
> Lukas
>
> -- 
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> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 11:18:23 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:18:23 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <53A5E22D-4666-4504-A924-7D349A53433D@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>
	<74d63d0811242350wf9c6676qf8cb7fa997dc45f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<67628d690811250039k3dfb660bm20428a92f4f05339@mail.gmail.com>
	<53A5E22D-4666-4504-A924-7D349A53433D@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <67628d690811250218j7e8fde68t8d753ce405f5c63b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
> He, that is a nice one. I have been thinking about adding a searchable
> checkbox, but I think this solution is simpler and should work just
> fine.

Yeah, let's reduce the number of checkboxes ;-)

Lukas

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From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Nov 25 18:35:04 2008
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:35:04 +0100
Subject: Pier, seasidehosting, and google
In-Reply-To: <0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>
References: <CCE6D1F1-D1C0-4781-9CE3-FAF16EED5321@bergel.eu>
	<66666f210811140530y2f5ac6a6i567bd3e4ea73281@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D248C0C-0A55-4D4D-88DF-5D7EB3F8BC51@bergel.eu>
	<34b4844b0811141043y7e742243t8b98a20b63c5974b@mail.gmail.com>
	<91938463-18E0-42B2-AFA0-992E40BEDB60@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811142340g4fa463c1vfe6541fb88db3c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<11777DDA-3D80-4BD7-A4F4-20F4DC109434@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811241203x3157496dvcd69e95ab3718f9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A4566D3-28E9-4CC2-B95E-17D19963FF30@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <D173434A-8F99-40C7-8EBC-ACC841000891@iam.unibe.ch>

for me you are the first one.

Stef

On Nov 25, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

> Google enable one to enter link for a given set of keywords. I added
> them this morning. Maybe this is why now.
> But I have completely different results than what Giuseppe showed...
> amazing
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:03, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>>> Googling: software composition 2009
>>> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
>>> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
>>> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Is this normal?
>>
>> I don't know what you are talking about?
>>
>> It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody,  
>> as
>> Google provides different results  depending on your personal  
>> profile.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> -- 
>> Lukas Renggli
>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From alexandre at bergel.eu  Tue Nov 25 19:15:43 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:15:43 -0300
Subject: Video on Pier
Message-ID: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>

Dear List,

I have produce a number of video that summarize the experience I  
gained with Pier.
The first one is about adding a news entry: http://www.vimeo.com/2344423

If you have any comments, I will be glad to take them into account  
before producing the next videos.

Cheers,
Alexandre

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From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Nov 25 19:57:19 2008
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:57:19 +0100
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <D4829099-C60C-4F0B-9CAC-65EB12FC404D@iam.unibe.ch>

cool
This is great if we can build a good set of videos around pier.

Stef

On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> I have produce a number of video that summarize the experience I
> gained with Pier.
> The first one is about adding a news entry: http://www.vimeo.com/2344423
>
> If you have any comments, I will be glad to take them into account
> before producing the next videos.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From alexandre at bergel.eu  Tue Nov 25 20:10:15 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:10:15 -0300
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <D4829099-C60C-4F0B-9CAC-65EB12FC404D@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<D4829099-C60C-4F0B-9CAC-65EB12FC404D@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <DFC036F9-566C-4F7C-B2B4-1EA48ABB40C2@bergel.eu>

I have "add a new tab/page" , "changing title", "adding a clickable  
picture" in the pipe line.
I tried to make one on adding a user, but I do not know how to do it.  
Lukas' email did not help :-( I am still confused on how to change  
user passwords and adding new users.

Alexandre

On 25 Nov 2008, at 15:57, st?phane ducasse wrote:

> cool
> This is great if we can build a good set of videos around pier.
>
> Stef
>
> On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I have produce a number of video that summarize the experience I
>> gained with Pier.
>> The first one is about adding a news entry: http://www.vimeo.com/2344423
>>
>> If you have any comments, I will be glad to take them into account
>> before producing the next videos.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>> -- 
>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue Nov 25 20:51:56 2008
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:51:56 -0800
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu> (Alexandre
	Bergel's message of "Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:15:43 -0300")
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Alexandre" == Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu> writes:

Alexandre> I have produce a number of video that summarize the experience I  
Alexandre> gained with Pier.
Alexandre> The first one is about adding a news entry: http://www.vimeo.com/2344423

I added that to the vimeo squeak and seaside video groups.


-- 
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Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
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From renggli at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 20:54:58 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:54:58 +0100
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <DFC036F9-566C-4F7C-B2B4-1EA48ABB40C2@bergel.eu>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<D4829099-C60C-4F0B-9CAC-65EB12FC404D@iam.unibe.ch>
	<DFC036F9-566C-4F7C-B2B4-1EA48ABB40C2@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <67628d690811251154waa1097fsf64929c47247f44b@mail.gmail.com>

> I have "add a new tab/page" , "changing title", "adding a clickable
> picture" in the pipe line.

Cool. I like how you do the intro and outros. How do you do that?

Is there supposed to be sound? I don't hear anything. It would help if
you explained on what you click, because it is hardly visible with
these tiny fonts.

A few years ago I did some videos myself:

http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/basic.mov
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/sushi.mov
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/forms.mov
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/security.mov
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/environment.mov

> I tried to make one on adding a user, but I do not know how to do it.
> Lukas' email did not help :-( I am still confused on how to change
> user passwords and adding new users.

Can you explain your problem again? I guess you are using the
distribution from piercms.com? Creating a new user should be a single
click away.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

From alexandre at bergel.eu  Tue Nov 25 21:09:54 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:09:54 -0300
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>

Excellent!

Alexandre


On 25 Nov 2008, at 16:51, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

>>>>>> "Alexandre" == Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu> writes:
>
> Alexandre> I have produce a number of video that summarize the  
> experience I
> Alexandre> gained with Pier.
> Alexandre> The first one is about adding a news entry: http://www.vimeo.com/2344423
>
> I added that to the vimeo squeak and seaside video groups.
>
>
> -- 
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503  
> 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside  
> discussion
>

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From alexandre at bergel.eu  Tue Nov 25 21:18:02 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:18:02 -0300
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <67628d690811251154waa1097fsf64929c47247f44b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<D4829099-C60C-4F0B-9CAC-65EB12FC404D@iam.unibe.ch>
	<DFC036F9-566C-4F7C-B2B4-1EA48ABB40C2@bergel.eu>
	<67628d690811251154waa1097fsf64929c47247f44b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4996FCFF-4D58-4C72-897A-5740388B1F3A@bergel.eu>

>> I have "add a new tab/page" , "changing title", "adding a clickable
>> picture" in the pipe line.
>
> Cool. I like how you do the intro and outros. How do you do that?

iMovie does it. I use the last version, but it should be work with any  
version. It is a bit tricky to do, I can do a video on how to make it  
if necessary.


> Is there supposed to be sound? I don't hear anything. It would help if
> you explained on what you click, because it is hardly visible with
> these tiny fonts.

No sound for now. I could add a speak that describes what I am doing.  
It will be a good opportunity for me to learn more.

> A few years ago I did some videos myself:
>
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/basic.mov
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/sushi.mov
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/forms.mov
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/security.mov
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/videos/environment.mov

Ok, will check them.

>> I tried to make one on adding a user, but I do not know how to do it.
>> Lukas' email did not help :-( I am still confused on how to change
>> user passwords and adding new users.
>
> Can you explain your problem again? I guess you are using the
> distribution from piercms.com? Creating a new user should be a single
> click away.

I found why. I use a different account than the admin one. Looks  
silly, I know. I was looking in Environments with add/edit/edit setting.

Cheers,
Alexandre

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From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Nov 25 21:43:32 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:43:32 +0100
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <1224970F-E5FC-48DB-88DB-215E875A1F93@iam.unibe.ch>

Cool!

I added a blog entry on piercms.com and a new screencasts page:
http://www.piercms.com/doc/screencasts

Cheers,
Doru


On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

> Excellent!
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 25 Nov 2008, at 16:51, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>
>>>>>>> "Alexandre" == Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu> writes:
>>
>> Alexandre> I have produce a number of video that summarize the
>> experience I
>> Alexandre> gained with Pier.
>> Alexandre> The first one is about adding a news entry: http://www.vimeo.com/2344423
>>
>> I added that to the vimeo squeak and seaside video groups.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503
>> 777 0095
>> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
>> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
>> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside
>> discussion
>>
>
> -- 
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki

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www.tudorgirba.com/blog

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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue Nov 25 22:01:56 2008
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:01:56 -0800
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <1224970F-E5FC-48DB-88DB-215E875A1F93@iam.unibe.ch> (Tudor
	Girba's message of "Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:43:32 +0100")
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>
	<1224970F-E5FC-48DB-88DB-215E875A1F93@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <86y6z7mse3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Tudor" == Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> writes:

Tudor> Cool!
Tudor> I added a blog entry on piercms.com and a new screencasts page:
Tudor> http://www.piercms.com/doc/screencasts
I also suggest a specific Pier vimeo group... I can set it up for you
if you want.

-- 
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<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

From alexandre at bergel.eu  Tue Nov 25 23:19:17 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:19:17 -0300
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <86y6z7mse3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>
	<1224970F-E5FC-48DB-88DB-215E875A1F93@iam.unibe.ch>
	<86y6z7mse3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <11A8785C-D26A-41EF-AF18-42F203CD01A0@bergel.eu>

> I also suggest a specific Pier vimeo group... I can set it up for you
> if you want.


I created one. The video should be in now.
I am uploading the next videos...

Alexandre
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From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Wed Nov 26 00:29:56 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:29:56 +0100
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <11A8785C-D26A-41EF-AF18-42F203CD01A0@bergel.eu>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
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	<E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>
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I created one too named Pier :), I just forgot to mention it:

http://vimeo.com/channel24074

So, you can even choose now. Seriously, let's stick with one. Alex,  
you choose because you created more movies :)

Cheers,
Doru


On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

>> I also suggest a specific Pier vimeo group... I can set it up for you
>> if you want.
>
>
> I created one. The video should be in now.
> I am uploading the next videos...
>
> Alexandre
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From alexandre at bergel.eu  Wed Nov 26 12:16:36 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:16:36 -0300
Subject: New Videos
Message-ID: <42C38030-1791-4C07-B735-A584EF98DFBC@bergel.eu>

http://www.vimeo.com/2347080
http://www.vimeo.com/2347074
http://www.vimeo.com/2347055

are added to:
http://www.vimeo.com/2344423

I will add some comments (either spoken or as subtitle) to explain  
what's going on.

Alexandre
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From alexandre at bergel.eu  Wed Nov 26 14:07:14 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:07:14 -0300
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <8A7F61AF-449D-4663-9A4F-751E76CA0B01@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>
	<1224970F-E5FC-48DB-88DB-215E875A1F93@iam.unibe.ch>
	<86y6z7mse3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<11A8785C-D26A-41EF-AF18-42F203CD01A0@bergel.eu>
	<8A7F61AF-449D-4663-9A4F-751E76CA0B01@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <94F04AD8-21CA-4D7E-8678-7C0E8E77C2FB@bergel.eu>

But you created a channel, and me a group.

I have no idea how to add things in a channel. Maybe you're the only  
one being able to do so.

Alexandre


On 25 Nov 2008, at 20:29, Tudor Girba wrote:

> I created one too named Pier :), I just forgot to mention it:
>
> http://vimeo.com/channel24074
>
> So, you can even choose now. Seriously, let's stick with one. Alex,
> you choose because you created more movies :)
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>> I also suggest a specific Pier vimeo group... I can set it up for  
>>> you
>>> if you want.
>>
>>
>> I created one. The video should be in now.
>> I am uploading the next videos...
>>
>> Alexandre
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>>
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>>
>>
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From alexandre at bergel.eu  Wed Nov 26 14:08:54 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:08:54 -0300
Subject: Video on Pier
In-Reply-To: <86y6z7mse3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
References: <05607BAD-DE58-4CEA-9E2D-17685D7FC548@bergel.eu>
	<867i6roa77.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<E5BD86EB-5B66-46C5-BA7D-0B69CA6AFB70@bergel.eu>
	<1224970F-E5FC-48DB-88DB-215E875A1F93@iam.unibe.ch>
	<86y6z7mse3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <759333FF-0194-4549-A516-8689C638F816@bergel.eu>

It is obvious vimeo tried to make a simple interface. But I cannot  
figure out how to add the videos into a group.
It seems I can only add them to the group I created...

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 25 Nov 2008, at 18:01, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

>>>>>> "Tudor" == Tudor Girba <girba at iam.unibe.ch> writes:
>
> Tudor> Cool!
> Tudor> I added a blog entry on piercms.com and a new screencasts page:
> Tudor> http://www.piercms.com/doc/screencasts
> I also suggest a specific Pier vimeo group... I can set it up for you
> if you want.
>
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From alexandre at bergel.eu  Thu Nov 27 15:01:15 2008
From: alexandre at bergel.eu (Alexandre Bergel)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:01:15 -0300
Subject: Screencast page
Message-ID: <ED440027-C8CB-451D-B24A-7384B1198D5E@bergel.eu>

Hi Doru,

Maybe you could add the new videos I produced on http://www.piercms.com/doc/screencasts 
  ?

Cheers,
Alexandre
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From damien.cassou at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 16:07:09 2008
From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:07:09 +0100
Subject: Screencast page
In-Reply-To: <ED440027-C8CB-451D-B24A-7384B1198D5E@bergel.eu>
References: <ED440027-C8CB-451D-B24A-7384B1198D5E@bergel.eu>
Message-ID: <6ac749c10811270707h76375260i86749b4df4184ef1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre at bergel.eu> wrote:
> Maybe you could add the new videos I produced on
> http://www.piercms.com/doc/screencasts ?

Done

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From girba at iam.unibe.ch  Fri Nov 28 12:43:05 2008
From: girba at iam.unibe.ch (Tudor Girba)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:43:05 +0100
Subject: Screencast page
In-Reply-To: <6ac749c10811270707h76375260i86749b4df4184ef1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ED440027-C8CB-451D-B24A-7384B1198D5E@bergel.eu>
	<6ac749c10811270707h76375260i86749b4df4184ef1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D55F52-8FF8-4A40-933C-EE15585D98C5@iam.unibe.ch>

Thanks, to both of you :)

Cheers,
Doru


On Nov 27, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Damien Cassou wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Alexandre Bergel  
> <alexandre at bergel.eu> wrote:
>> Maybe you could add the new videos I produced on
>> http://www.piercms.com/doc/screencasts ?
>
> Done
>
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From estebanlm at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 14:17:12 2008
From: estebanlm at gmail.com (Esteban Lorenzano)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:17:12 -0200
Subject: pier and SandstoneDB persistence
Message-ID: <ggor0o$4u5$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi list,
I have a doubt about how to solve a problem in a system I'm doing, I'll 
start explaining the context:
The application is Pier based, but it is not a CMS (well, at least not 
just a CMS), it adds functionality bu extending pier components and 
commands.
There are some added data that should be persisted to file, in order to 
be able to rebuild the image and has backups and so on...
And for consistency (and in a paranioc way, but needed because we are 
keeping money ammounts, etc.) we are also persisting commans executed 
by users, and then we are capable to rebuild the user account if 
something happens.
For both persistency issues we are using SandstoneDB.

Well, the problem is when I want to persist pier commands (not those 
created by us, but previous ones)... many has class references and 
Sandstone tries to persist them too (and then SystemDictionary, and 
then hangs).
My approach to solve this problem is adding a couple of methods to 
PRCommand #toSandstone and #fromSandstone who changes class references 
for symbols and viceversa.
But now I have other problem: not all the commands are so easy to solve 
:) For example, those related to PRChangeCommand, it has a dictionary 
(fields) with a magritte description... and again, a large set of 
not-recordable data.

My questions is: how can I solve this problem? I can just serialize 
(with SIXX or binary) fields, but that does not ensure data integrity 
if I reconstruct it latter... or I can just manually get enough data to 
reconstruct ir manually when needed... but I'm not sure if this is a 
good approach or not.

Any opinion?

Thanks in advance,
Esteban



From renggli at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 23:18:25 2008
From: renggli at gmail.com (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:18:25 +0100
Subject: pier and SandstoneDB persistence
In-Reply-To: <ggor0o$4u5$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <ggor0o$4u5$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <67628d690811281418k7b977b1ay8adfddc85b22635e@mail.gmail.com>

> But now I have other problem: not all the commands are so easy to solve :)
> For example, those related to PRChangeCommand, it has a dictionary (fields)
> with a magritte description... and again, a large set of not-recordable
> data.

Why not dispatch through every object? So that for example class
serialize themselves by name, and descriptions serialize themselves
using their accessor?

Lukas

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