Pier v. Plone

[Lukas Renggli]

> I know that Lukas has used Zope/Plone, but I don't know how current  
> his
> knowledge is.

My knowledge of Zope and Plone dates back to 2002. I maintained some  
legacy Zope projects in 2003, but as I discovered Smalltalk and  
Seaside around the same time I never went back to Python again.

> How far is Pier from offering a competitive experience to end users  
> and
> developers with regard to something like Plone?

I have no idea in what state Zope/Plone is today. Maybe I should give  
another try ...

> Is there any interest in the community of competing in that sphere?

I am interested, but I can't compete against hundreds of companies  
and thousands of developers all alone.

> Or do most here happily use Seaside/Pier as a toolbox and the bigger
> application type CMS isn't on the radar?

I am using Seaside/Pier for all my web related projects.

> And initially I speak as to a basic Plone 3.0 out-of-the-box
> capabilities and user/developer experience. Not necessarily the  
> plethora
> of add-on products. Those can come later if the out-of-the-box
> experience is compelling enough.

To make the out-of-the-box experience of Pier (especially for those  
not knowing Smalltalk and Seaside) quite some work is required.

> Naively it seems that content types are easier to develop in Pier as
> opposed to Plone.

This is certainly the case, even if Zope/Plone improved a lot over  
the past 5 years.

Lukas

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