From mhaupt at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 12:37:46 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:37:46 +0200
Subject: Squeak services on Xserve?
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610040337tc07e897i3fa3848b0b711d82@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,

does anybody have experience with running Squeak services, especially
Seaside/Pier and Monticello, on Apple Xserve hardware? Is there
something that needs to be taken special care of?

Thanks,

Michael

From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 13:07:45 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:07:45 +0200
Subject: Squeak services on Xserve?
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610040337tc07e897i3fa3848b0b711d82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b1ba07840610040337tc07e897i3fa3848b0b711d82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210610040407o56f7585cta98d2f680e532aad@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/4, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> Dear list,
>
> does anybody have experience with running Squeak services, especially
> Seaside/Pier and Monticello, on Apple Xserve hardware?

I think the setup of macamis (www.squeaksource.com) is something like
this (please correct me it I'm wrong):
- one user automatically logs in at startup (OS 9 fallback)
- in the startup list (or whatever it is called) of that user is the
SqS image and probably vnc

If you want to get serious look at daemontools. Lukas once posted on
the seaside mailinglist what the setup at netstyle.ch is for
seasidehosting.st.

Monticello is a standard Apache WebDAV directory. No Squeak so this is
probably the most painless of them all.

Xserve come with the server version of OS X, so getting Apache 2 and
ProxyPreserveHost should be not problem.

> Is there
> something that needs to be taken special care of?

Yes, setting up vnc was a bitch.

Philippe

From ian at inextenso.com  Wed Oct  4 14:28:19 2006
From: ian at inextenso.com (Ian Prince)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:28:19 +0200
Subject: Squeak services on Xserve?
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610040407o56f7585cta98d2f680e532aad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b1ba07840610040337tc07e897i3fa3848b0b711d82@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610040407o56f7585cta98d2f680e532aad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A54E0AFA-CFEC-4C94-9430-B6109B035554@inextenso.com>


On 4 Oct 2006, at 13:07, Philippe Marschall wrote:

> 2006/10/4, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> does anybody have experience with running Squeak services, especially
>> Seaside/Pier and Monticello, on Apple Xserve hardware?

I run a Seaside image and a Swiki image on a single Mac Mini running  
10.3.9 - uptimes in hundreds of days. Only downside is that Squeak  
does take between 2-6% of the CPU, even when idle:

 From top:

   PID COMMAND      %CPU   TIME   #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT  RSHRD   
RSIZE  VSIZE
13099 Squeak VM    2.2%  104 hrs   3    76    91  24.3M  3.27M   
23.4M   631M

FWIW, I prefer Netopia's Timbuktu for remote management.

I've read that Xserves are *really* noisy, so you might want to get a  
cabinet if you are running them in your office.

Ian.


From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 14:31:56 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:31:56 +0200
Subject: Squeak services on Xserve?
In-Reply-To: <A54E0AFA-CFEC-4C94-9430-B6109B035554@inextenso.com>
References: <b1ba07840610040337tc07e897i3fa3848b0b711d82@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610040407o56f7585cta98d2f680e532aad@mail.gmail.com>
	<A54E0AFA-CFEC-4C94-9430-B6109B035554@inextenso.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210610040531x485de4a6y9a87d6890b28c683@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/4, Ian Prince <ian at inextenso.com>:
>
> On 4 Oct 2006, at 13:07, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>
> > 2006/10/4, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> >> Dear list,
> >>
> >> does anybody have experience with running Squeak services, especially
> >> Seaside/Pier and Monticello, on Apple Xserve hardware?
>
> I run a Seaside image and a Swiki image on a single Mac Mini running
> 10.3.9 - uptimes in hundreds of days. Only downside is that Squeak
> does take between 2-6% of the CPU, even when idle:
>
>  From top:
>
>    PID COMMAND      %CPU   TIME   #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT  RSHRD
> RSIZE  VSIZE
> 13099 Squeak VM    2.2%  104 hrs   3    76    91  24.3M  3.27M
> 23.4M   631M
>
> FWIW, I prefer Netopia's Timbuktu for remote management.
>
> I've read that Xserves are *really* noisy, so you might want to get a
> cabinet if you are running them in your office.

macam is a Dual G5 and is indeed  *really* noisy. But it's in a server
room so this is not really a problem for us.

Philippe

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct  6 11:18:59 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:18:59 +0100
Subject: [ANN] PRPierControlPanel and goodies
Message-ID: <45261F83.5010402@yahoo.co.uk>

When the repository is back on line I can publish this. Until then I 
will put things in www.squeaksource.com/PierTemp later today.

I have implemented a control panel for pier as a 
WADispatcherEditorPlugin (so you need that class from Seaside 2.6b-kph 
latest)

This means that a 'pier' link appears next to 'configure' 'remove'.

Features:

- Select kernel for the pier app or serve all kernels.

- UI for managing users and groups and setting passwords. (requires 
latest Unix Security version)

- UI for selecting persistency scheme.

    The selector provides a mini form for extra data. e.g. 
PRFilePersistency has a textInput to specify the directory for its files.

    The 'migrate' button begins the process of migrating data from one 
persistency scheme to another. When the migration is complete you are 
asked if you wish to commit. If the migration fails for some reason your 
existing scheme and data is left untouched.

- UI for creating, deleting and renaming kernels.

Also:

Test case classes for PRPersistency and its subclasses.
- tests for renameKernelTo: aName
- PRMagmaPersistencyTest uses TestResourceMagma (real db in ramdisk) or 
TestResourceMockMagma (no db) and is ready for more tests to be implemented.

Migration:

Migration between PRMagmaPersistency and PRNullPersistency or 
PRImagePersistency is fully operational in both directions therefore it 
is now possible to run your pier site 'in-image' and then switch to 
PRMagmaPersistency to make a back up. Once backed up you can load a 
fresh image onto your server and then switch back to 'in-image' serving 
from memory once more.

enjoy

Keith






  



		
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct  6 11:55:32 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:55:32 +0100
Subject: [ANN] PRBackupToMagmaPersistency
Message-ID: <45262814.4050402@yahoo.co.uk>

PRBackupToMagmaPersistency

In the same way that PRImagePersistency periodically
saves the image to disk, this scheme commits the pier model to the 
database.

This leaves the pier model in memory for speed, and it does not slow 
down edits
at all with database commits. It should only write the model changes to 
disk, and so should be quite efficient and can be run more frequently 
than makes sense for PRImagePersistency.

This scheme also supports the ability to upgrade the image and reload  
data from the persistent backup.

Keith





		
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From damien.cassou at laposte.net  Fri Oct  6 17:49:50 2006
From: damien.cassou at laposte.net (Damien Cassou)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:49:50 +0200
Subject: [ANN] PRPierControlPanel and goodies
In-Reply-To: <45261F83.5010402@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45261F83.5010402@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45267B1E.9010905@laposte.net>

Both annoucements are very good news. Thank you very much for your work 
on Magritte and Pier.


From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Fri Oct  6 19:12:53 2006
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:12:53 +0200
Subject: [ANN] PRPierControlPanel and goodies
In-Reply-To: <45261F83.5010402@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45261F83.5010402@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E17EAEAE-8221-45FE-AD58-0850E03D3DFF@iam.unibe.ch>

sounds cool!

On 6 oct. 06, at 11:18, Keith Hodges wrote:

> When the repository is back on line I can publish this. Until then I
> will put things in www.squeaksource.com/PierTemp later today.
>
> I have implemented a control panel for pier as a
> WADispatcherEditorPlugin (so you need that class from Seaside 2.6b-kph
> latest)
>
> This means that a 'pier' link appears next to 'configure' 'remove'.
>
> Features:
>
> - Select kernel for the pier app or serve all kernels.
>
> - UI for managing users and groups and setting passwords. (requires
> latest Unix Security version)
>
> - UI for selecting persistency scheme.
>
>     The selector provides a mini form for extra data. e.g.
> PRFilePersistency has a textInput to specify the directory for its  
> files.
>
>     The 'migrate' button begins the process of migrating data from one
> persistency scheme to another. When the migration is complete you are
> asked if you wish to commit. If the migration fails for some reason  
> your
> existing scheme and data is left untouched.
>
> - UI for creating, deleting and renaming kernels.
>
> Also:
>
> Test case classes for PRPersistency and its subclasses.
> - tests for renameKernelTo: aName
> - PRMagmaPersistencyTest uses TestResourceMagma (real db in  
> ramdisk) or
> TestResourceMockMagma (no db) and is ready for more tests to be  
> implemented.
>
> Migration:
>
> Migration between PRMagmaPersistency and PRNullPersistency or
> PRImagePersistency is fully operational in both directions  
> therefore it
> is now possible to run your pier site 'in-image' and then switch to
> PRMagmaPersistency to make a back up. Once backed up you can load a
> fresh image onto your server and then switch back to 'in-image'  
> serving
> from memory once more.
>
> enjoy
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 		
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From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Fri Oct  6 19:13:28 2006
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:13:28 +0200
Subject: [ANN] PRPierControlPanel and goodies
In-Reply-To: <45261F83.5010402@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45261F83.5010402@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BC3AC52A-21E0-4F9B-BDDF-7BF8265A935D@iam.unibe.ch>

Would it make sense to have a preloadedPier image so that we could  
play with that?

Stef

On 6 oct. 06, at 11:18, Keith Hodges wrote:

> When the repository is back on line I can publish this. Until then I
> will put things in www.squeaksource.com/PierTemp later today.
>
> I have implemented a control panel for pier as a
> WADispatcherEditorPlugin (so you need that class from Seaside 2.6b-kph
> latest)
>
> This means that a 'pier' link appears next to 'configure' 'remove'.
>
> Features:
>
> - Select kernel for the pier app or serve all kernels.
>
> - UI for managing users and groups and setting passwords. (requires
> latest Unix Security version)
>
> - UI for selecting persistency scheme.
>
>     The selector provides a mini form for extra data. e.g.
> PRFilePersistency has a textInput to specify the directory for its  
> files.
>
>     The 'migrate' button begins the process of migrating data from one
> persistency scheme to another. When the migration is complete you are
> asked if you wish to commit. If the migration fails for some reason  
> your
> existing scheme and data is left untouched.
>
> - UI for creating, deleting and renaming kernels.
>
> Also:
>
> Test case classes for PRPersistency and its subclasses.
> - tests for renameKernelTo: aName
> - PRMagmaPersistencyTest uses TestResourceMagma (real db in  
> ramdisk) or
> TestResourceMockMagma (no db) and is ready for more tests to be  
> implemented.
>
> Migration:
>
> Migration between PRMagmaPersistency and PRNullPersistency or
> PRImagePersistency is fully operational in both directions  
> therefore it
> is now possible to run your pier site 'in-image' and then switch to
> PRMagmaPersistency to make a back up. Once backed up you can load a
> fresh image onto your server and then switch back to 'in-image'  
> serving
> from memory once more.
>
> enjoy
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 		
> ___________________________________________________________
> Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new  
> Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
>
> _______________________________________________
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 05:39:45 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 04:39:45 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Preloaded Image - SeasideMagmaPier
Message-ID: <45272181.1080004@yahoo.co.uk>

Available from ftp.seasidehosting.st
user preloaded pass squeak

----------------------------------------------------------
Release Notes:
This Release - Preloaded Image
Sqk3.8F-Smp1.0.10 7thOct2006 _ "Brighton Pier"
- PRPierControlPanel as WADispatcherEditorPlugin
-- create, delete, rename, switch kernels.
-- ui for persistency switching.
- Data migration between Persistency schemes working
- Testing of Persistency classes has begun


Note: Stylesheet has been disabled awaiting the return of Lukas' server

To create a repository, use the 'magma' link.
To persist a kernel use the 'pier' persistency switching interface.

To load security if you want to have a look at it
there is a version at www.squeaksource.com/PierTemp

feedback is most welcome

Keith

	
	
		
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From mhaupt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 10:07:48 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:07:48 +0200
Subject: images in the image
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610070107l3ccd94c4pce0777d2d97fb690@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

since Lukas Renggli's server is down, a freshly installed Pier won't
display the images because they appear to be retrieved from that very
server.

Does it have to be this way? Can I make this work somehow with out
having to wait for the server being up again? Where in Pier - I'm new
to it, so please bear with me ;-) - is the connection to Lukas' server
hardwired?

Best,

Michael

From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Sat Oct  7 10:14:03 2006
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:14:03 +0200
Subject: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070107l3ccd94c4pce0777d2d97fb690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b1ba07840610070107l3ccd94c4pce0777d2d97fb690@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED37D3E8-AEEC-4B39-BE00-4990D51DECEC@iam.unibe.ch>

normally in the css if I remember well but I mya be wrong.

On 7 oct. 06, at 10:07, Michael Haupt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> since Lukas Renggli's server is down, a freshly installed Pier won't
> display the images because they appear to be retrieved from that very
> server.
>
> Does it have to be this way? Can I make this work somehow with out
> having to wait for the server being up again? Where in Pier - I'm new
> to it, so please bear with me ;-) - is the connection to Lukas' server
> hardwired?
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From mhaupt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 10:16:03 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:16:03 +0200
Subject: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <ED37D3E8-AEEC-4B39-BE00-4990D51DECEC@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <b1ba07840610070107l3ccd94c4pce0777d2d97fb690@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED37D3E8-AEEC-4B39-BE00-4990D51DECEC@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610070116m6cef1827kc1e65baae823a05e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi St?phane,

On 10/7/06, st?phane ducasse <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
> normally in the css if I remember well but I mya be wrong.

seemingly the CSS file is loaded from Lukas' server. :-) So where in
the image is the link that says so?

Sorry for all those stupid questions,

Michael


From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Sat Oct  7 10:19:25 2006
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:19:25 +0200
Subject: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070116m6cef1827kc1e65baae823a05e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b1ba07840610070107l3ccd94c4pce0777d2d97fb690@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED37D3E8-AEEC-4B39-BE00-4990D51DECEC@iam.unibe.ch>
	<b1ba07840610070116m6cef1827kc1e65baae823a05e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B1F0419-777D-447E-9022-5B7A00D26F02@iam.unibe.ch>

in the old Smallwiki this was in the properties of the templates, now  
I did not really pier in production so I forgot
Look in the environment of the main component (not sure)

Stef

On 7 oct. 06, at 10:16, Michael Haupt wrote:

> Hi St?phane,
>
> On 10/7/06, st?phane ducasse <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
>> normally in the css if I remember well but I mya be wrong.
>
> seemingly the CSS file is loaded from Lukas' server. :-) So where in
> the image is the link that says so?
>
> Sorry for all those stupid questions,
>
> Michael
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>



From mhaupt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 10:20:36 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:20:36 +0200
Subject: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070116m6cef1827kc1e65baae823a05e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b1ba07840610070107l3ccd94c4pce0777d2d97fb690@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED37D3E8-AEEC-4B39-BE00-4990D51DECEC@iam.unibe.ch>
	<b1ba07840610070116m6cef1827kc1e65baae823a05e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610070120x3b117b8fu68a2575a54420ebb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi again,

On 10/7/06, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com> wrote:
> seemingly the CSS file is loaded from Lukas' server. :-) So where in
> the image is the link that says so?

...and just a second later, he found it all of a sudden. Oh had he not asked...

It's in Pier-Seaside-Core -> PRPierLibrary>>style, right? Because that
message's implementation says

^ '@import "http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/style/84/style.css";'

Best,

Michael

From frank.urbach at schmees.com  Sat Oct  7 10:32:13 2006
From: frank.urbach at schmees.com (Frank Urbach)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:32:13 +0000 GMT
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
Message-ID: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>

Hallo Michael,

if you use a newer windows machine you can try to use the IIS (the build-in webserver of windows). There you can copy the css-file from Lucas and after this change the hard coded style to your local adress of the IIS.
Hope this helps.

Cheers,
  Frank

From mhaupt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 11:01:53 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:01:53 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Frank,

On 10/7/06, Frank Urbach <frank.urbach at schmees.com> wrote:
> if you use a newer windows machine you can try to use the IIS (the build-in webserver of windows). There you can copy the css-file from Lucas and after this change the hard coded style to your local adress of the IIS.

thanks - there's no Windows machine around, though. ;-)

I have replaced the hardwired CSS link with one that references a CSS
file that I know won't vanish for now, and will copy Lukas' file to a
local server as soon as his server is up and running again.

I was just not willing to take the loooong loading times...

Best,

Michael

From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 11:20:29 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:20:29 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210610070220k4f33444fl76c3a235e554c726@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/7, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> Hi Frank,
>
> On 10/7/06, Frank Urbach <frank.urbach at schmees.com> wrote:
> > if you use a newer windows machine you can try to use the IIS (the build-in webserver of windows). There you can copy the css-file from Lucas and after this change the hard coded style to your local adress of the IIS.
>
> thanks - there's no Windows machine around, though. ;-)
>
> I have replaced the hardwired CSS link with one that references a CSS
> file that I know won't vanish for now, and will copy Lukas' file to a
> local server as soon as his server is up and running again.
>
> I was just not willing to take the loooong loading times...

Hi

I just sent a mail to the list that contains the CSS files and images
of Pier. It also contains a Pier-Seaside that serves them directly.

I hope it gets approved by the moderator soon. Otherwise I'll probably
have to use something like rapidshare.

Philippe

From mhaupt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 11:40:59 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:40:59 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070220k4f33444fl76c3a235e554c726@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070220k4f33444fl76c3a235e554c726@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610070240t77105b6dq2cd6346732dc0c04@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Philippe,

On 10/7/06, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just sent a mail to the list that contains the CSS files and images
> of Pier. It also contains a Pier-Seaside that serves them directly.

ah, wonderful! Can you give me a hint at where to apply modifications
in the image so that direct serving is supported?

Best,

Michael

From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 11:12:40 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:12:40 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Attached you find the zipped CSS and images of Pier. You can server
them either with Seaside or an external http server like Apache.

You find also a modified version of Pier-Seaside that uses FileLibrary
to serve the files. This is somewhat experimental.
You have to first load FileLibrary-pmm.12.mcz and then merge it in.
But there's not need to configure Seaside to serve files or use an
external webserver.

Philippe

2006/10/7, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> Hi Frank,
>
> On 10/7/06, Frank Urbach <frank.urbach at schmees.com> wrote:
> > if you use a newer windows machine you can try to use the IIS (the build-in webserver of windows). There you can copy the css-file from Lucas and after this change the hard coded style to your local adress of the IIS.
>
> thanks - there's no Windows machine around, though. ;-)
>
> I have replaced the hardwired CSS link with one that references a CSS
> file that I know won't vanish for now, and will copy Lukas' file to a
> local server as soon as his server is up and running again.
>
> I was just not willing to take the loooong loading times...
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
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From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 12:09:35 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:09:35 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070240t77105b6dq2cd6346732dc0c04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070220k4f33444fl76c3a235e554c726@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070240t77105b6dq2cd6346732dc0c04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210610070309t2608fa80l35cbd754cd86fe80@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/7, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> Hi Philippe,
>
> On 10/7/06, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just sent a mail to the list that contains the CSS files and images
> > of Pier. It also contains a Pier-Seaside that serves them directly.
>
> ah, wonderful! Can you give me a hint at where to apply modifications
> in the image so that direct serving is supported?

Well it's a class the contains all the resources.

http://spielverderber.seasidehosting.st/resources/Pier-Seaside-pmm.80.mcz
First load FileLibrary-pmm.12.mcz from the Seaside repository. Then merge it in.
In general a Pier-Seaside-lr.79 or later is recommened.

The resources alone are at:
http://spielverderber.seasidehosting.st/resources/pier-style-84.zip

Philippe

From mhaupt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 12:12:52 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:12:52 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Philippe,

On 10/7/06, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to first load FileLibrary-pmm.12.mcz and then merge it in.

where do I get that? I can't seem to find it in SqueakMap or the
Monticello browser.

Best,

Michael

From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 12:18:15 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:18:15 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/7, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> Hi Philippe,
>
> On 10/7/06, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You have to first load FileLibrary-pmm.12.mcz and then merge it in.
>
> where do I get that? I can't seem to find it in SqueakMap or the
> Monticello browser.

The Seaiside repository:

MCHttpRepository
    location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Seaside'
    user: ''
    password: ''

Philippe

From mhaupt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 12:34:05 2006
From: mhaupt at gmail.com (Michael Haupt)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:34:05 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Philippe,

On 10/7/06, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Seaiside repository:

thanks! It works! :-)

So, to summarise, I have done the following (I provide this as a
smallish tutorial, just in case anybody else is reading this):
- put the .mcz file you sent me in my Squeak folder,
- unzipped the style ZIP and put the "84" folder in the Squeak folder as well,
- started a 3.9-7061 (RC1) image,
- used SqueakMap to install Seaside and Pier,
- set up the Seaside repository in the Monticello browser,
- loaded FileLibrary from the Seaside repository using Monticello,
- set up my Squeak folder as a repository for Monticello,
- loaded your .mcz file from there,
- started the server (WAKom startOn: 8080, as usual),
- pointed the browser to http://localhost:8080/seaside/pier

...and bingo! :-)

Many thanks,

Michael

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 12:39:11 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:39:11 +0100
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452783CF.40605@yahoo.co.uk>

I have a version of seaside-magma-pier which manages the css in pier 
with the images 'in image' as PRFiles. It will take me a little while to 
merge this into my latest but it is on its way.

I want to merge in FileLibrary into the preloaded image as well.

Keith

	
	
		
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From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 12:59:27 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:59:27 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/7, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> Hi Philippe,
>
> On 10/7/06, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Seaiside repository:
>
> thanks! It works! :-)
>
> So, to summarise, I have done the following (I provide this as a
> smallish tutorial, just in case anybody else is reading this):
> - put the .mcz file you sent me in my Squeak folder,
> - unzipped the style ZIP and put the "84" folder in the Squeak folder as well,
> - started a 3.9-7061 (RC1) image,
> - used SqueakMap to install Seaside and Pier,
> - set up the Seaside repository in the Monticello browser,
> - loaded FileLibrary from the Seaside repository using Monticello,
> - set up my Squeak folder as a repository for Monticello,
> - loaded your .mcz file from there,

Merging is actually safer and recommended. But it's good to know that
loading works too.

Philippe

> - started the server (WAKom startOn: 8080, as usual),
> - pointed the browser to http://localhost:8080/seaside/pier
>
> ...and bingo! :-)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 13:36:52 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:36:52 +0100
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45279154.6060508@yahoo.co.uk>

Philippe Marschall wrote:
> 2006/10/7, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
>   
>> Hi Philippe,
I just cant get seaside to stop looking for lukas' server

where is it hanging on to the reference from, I have changed PRPierLibrary!

Keith

		
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 13:42:22 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:42:22 +0100
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4527929E.5050204@yahoo.co.uk>

arrg, the web browser had the reference cached!

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From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 13:42:53 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:42:53 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <45279154.6060508@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
	<45279154.6060508@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <66666f210610070442h69be4e3cj22f2e53e7dee90ab@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/7, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>:
> Philippe Marschall wrote:
> > 2006/10/7, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi Philippe,
> I just cant get seaside to stop looking for lukas' server
>
> where is it hanging on to the reference from, I have changed PRPierLibrary!

On an unmodified Pier it should only be in:
PRPierLibrary >> #style

For a modified, well it depends on the modifications of course.

You can search for string literals containing it by highlighting
lukas-renggli
and the pressing Ctrl+E (on <= 3.8) or Shift+Ctrl+E (on 3.9). On Macs
it's probably the strange Apple key instead of Ctrl, and Ctrl/Alt
swapping might affect it too.

Philippe

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 13:48:15 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:48:15 +0100
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452793FF.8090304@yahoo.co.uk>

So pier works in konqueror, but not in firefox. Firefox insists on 
looking at lukas' server for the stylesheet, even though I am using 
PRFileLibrary! I tried clearing the caches in firefox... I am stumped


Keith

		
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 14:12:19 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:12:19 +0100
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <452793FF.8090304@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
	<452793FF.8090304@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <452799A3.9030203@yahoo.co.uk>

I had renamed the old style from #style to #styleOld which if seaside is 
serving all selecots beginning with 'style' didnt do me any good.

Konqueror was timing out on lukas' server quicker than firefox which is 
why it appeared to work there and not in firefox.

Keith

		
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 14:16:56 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:16:56 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Preloaded Image - SeasideMagmaPier
In-Reply-To: <45272181.1080004@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45272181.1080004@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45279AB8.2060100@yahoo.co.uk>

I have updated this preloaded image to use FileLibrary to serve all 
styles and images from the image without needing lukas' server.

this is much better I think

Keith
> Available from ftp.seasidehosting.st
> user preloaded pass squeak
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Release Notes:
> This Release - Preloaded Image
> Sqk3.8F-Smp1.0.10 7thOct2006 _ "Brighton Pier"
> - PRPierControlPanel as WADispatcherEditorPlugin
> -- create, delete, rename, switch kernels.
> -- ui for persistency switching.
> - Data migration between Persistency schemes working
> - Testing of Persistency classes has begun
>
>
> Note: Stylesheet has been disabled awaiting the return of Lukas' server
>
> To create a repository, use the 'magma' link.
> To persist a kernel use the 'pier' persistency switching interface.
>
> To load security if you want to have a look at it
> there is a version at www.squeaksource.com/PierTemp
>
> feedback is most welcome
>
> Keith
>  ________________________________
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>
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From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 14:22:19 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:22:19 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <452793FF.8090304@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>
	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>
	<452793FF.8090304@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <66666f210610070522s73e2bcfcr10dce59254bd58ed@mail.gmail.com>

2006/10/7, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk>:
> So pier works in konqueror, but not in firefox. Firefox insists on
> looking at lukas' server for the stylesheet, even though I am using
> PRFileLibrary! I tried clearing the caches in firefox... I am stumped

Have you tried
WARegistry clearAllHandlers

If you look at the html, do the links still refer to lukas?

Philippe

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 14:31:34 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:31:34 +0100
Subject: AW: Re: Re: Re: images in the image
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610070522s73e2bcfcr10dce59254bd58ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566192800-1160210023-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19876-@engine05-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>	<b1ba07840610070201x2ef6c868wa0c53517e56fdd@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070212o463eca88q56112113c658d9d9@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070312o44221e4axe3226f65caf54aee@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070318n56be1e2bpee42abf10c487a87@mail.gmail.com>	<b1ba07840610070334w25ec6280v3574acf0ad02be@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610070359j561c2ebcu5e95a59357020f54@mail.gmail.com>	<452793FF.8090304@yahoo.co.uk>
	<66666f210610070522s73e2bcfcr10dce59254bd58ed@mail.gmail.com>
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The text '@blah.css' in #style doesnt sho up in the html source, so 
thats why I couldnt see it.

I found the culprit. I had renames 'style' to #styleOld thinking that 
this would make it go away. But of course seaside serves up all 
selectors beginning with 'style' and thus continued to serve the string 
which referenced lukas' server, as well as my correct style reference. 
This is why it worked in konqueror because it timed out on lukas' server 
eventually and displayed pier correctly.

For anyone beginning in pier, the latest image at preloaded is pretty 
well set up I think

Keith

	
	
		
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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Oct 10 21:44:46 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:44:46 +0200
Subject: Offline
In-Reply-To: <3DCCA35C-5612-4B70-AAB4-52C3B0FE25FF@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <3DCCA35C-5612-4B70-AAB4-52C3B0FE25FF@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <304E933A-03F7-4B71-8FDA-ABEF694394F1@iam.unibe.ch>

> The server will be put online again as soon as possible, however it
> might take a while to get things settled with the new internet
> provider. I hope to be online at least on Wednesday next week, but
> one never knows what happens.

The server and the SqueakSource repository is back online again.

Have to catch up with lots of mails now ;-)

Cheers,
Lukas

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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 11 04:39:40 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:39:40 +0100
Subject: Updated repository
Message-ID: <452C596C.6070407@yahoo.co.uk>

Dear All,

I have updated the repository with all of my mods. I do hope you like 
them. I sincerely apologize in advance that my code quality may be 
fairly appalling at times. (... myriad of excuses snipped....) I rest in 
the knowledge that Lukas' is likely to be fairly tough on anything that 
makes it through into the mainstream. I have tried to be gentle on the 
core, indeed I have backed out some of my more radical changes.

I have begun to think about providing/using a framework for testing, and 
so there is much more scope for improving things now.

To load Pier-Magma with tests you will also need Magma-sunit , a new 
package in MagmaTester upon which PRMagmaPersistencyTest depends.

dont forget that for the faint hearted there is a preloaded image with 
all of this in (see previous emails)

best regards

Keith
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From jaywhy at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 19:05:43 2006
From: jaywhy at gmail.com (Jason Yates)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:05:43 -0400
Subject: subclass overridden #build:
Message-ID: <4cbfccd70610131005p3a41101eraa9f5f1f260f76b2@mail.gmail.com>

Whenever I try to access some form component of the model.  Whether in
Pier or in my own testing of Magritte, I this error.

"Error: My subclass should have overridden #build:"

I've searched the documentation.  Yet, I couldn't find anything about
how to override "build:".  Also because it is happening in Pier, not
just my own implementation of Magritte.  I'm assuming something else
is at fault.

Anyone have any ideas.  Thanks.

-- 
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From brad at sonaural.com  Wed Oct 18 02:39:07 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:39:07 -0700
Subject: MAOptionDescription is abstract
Message-ID: <453577AB.1050806@sonaural.com>

I have little experience with Pier. I don't understand why, when I
select the "Environment" selection, I receive and error:

"MAOptionDescription is abstract"

This comes from:

MAOptionDescription >>error:
    "Create a new instance of the receiving class and checks if it is
concrete."

    self isAbstract
        ifTrue: [ self error: self name , ' is abstract.' ].
    ^ super new


I don't understand the error when looking thru the debugger thread. Any
help? Where can I look?

brad



From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 18 14:17:22 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:17:22 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Seaside-Magma-Pier
Message-ID: <45361B52.6020107@yahoo.co.uk>

In order to produce a full installation of Seaside-Magma-Pier the 
configuration script is now available at.

http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/smallwiki/pier/installationofseasidemagmaandpier

To use it, open a vanilla image, open a workspace and 'doit'.

as always feedback would be welcomed.

best regards

Keith

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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Wed Oct 18 17:59:09 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:59:09 +0200
Subject: Merging
In-Reply-To: <45361896.5000407@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45361896.5000407@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <48201F3F-753C-4DFC-A4BA-B723DFDA9C7E@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi Keith,

> I am strugging to merge your new security widgets into  
> PRPierControlPanel.
>
> Have you looked at PRPierControlPanel at all?

no sorry, I didn't had the time to look at or merge it yet. Indeed  
this it is a bit difficult, since you changes to PRPierMain break all  
my productive applications.

Also I have some problems with the way you write code: Personally I  
pay a lot of attention to the way the source is formatted, especially  
that it is properly indented, that there are no unnecessary  
statements or brackets.  Especially that it is readable, nice looking  
and well fitting with the existing code.

I started to like the approach with the widgets and worked on that.  
In fact, my initial concerns were certainly not valid. The latest  
changes I committed came all from the requirements when setting up a  
new productive server for a lecture here in Bern.

> PRPierControlPanel runs in the context of WADispatcherEditor, and  
> so has to create a Pier like context if it wishes to display any  
> pier widgets.

For a productive setup behind Apache there is no access to the  
configuration application from outside the local network anyway. How  
would you change the settings then?

> This did work with the previous Users/Groups control panel that you  
> have replaced. However the new widgets do not seem to be getting  
> the Current context.

I started from your code and extended it and added a superclass to  
share some functionality. Just lately I also added a browse view to  
navigate around the structures and to have an overview of the  
permissions, users and groups (like the unix ls -la).

> I am opening the widgets like so:
>
> openWidget: widget  titled: title
>
>    self call: (PRCurrentContext use: self during: [
>        ((widget)
>                context;
>                addDecoration: (WAWindowDecoration new
>                                title: title);
>                yourself)
>        ]).

Mhh, this certainly does not work, since the component is called  
outside the scope of the dynamic-variable. Thus it should work if you  
move the dynamic-variable outside the call:

openWidget: widget  titled: title
     PRCurrentContext use: self during: [
         self call: (widget
             context;
             addDecoration: (WAWindowDecoration new
                 title: title;
                 yourself);
             yourself) ]

Cheers,
Lukas

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From brad at sonaural.com  Wed Oct 18 20:41:44 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:41:44 -0700
Subject: Text in Header
Message-ID: <45367568.7030908@sonaural.com>

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From brad at sonaural.com  Wed Oct 18 21:07:58 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:07:58 -0700
Subject: Text in Header
Message-ID: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>

Is there a way to easily change the text in the header of Pier to
something different than the object created? When editing the
environment/header I just receive the option to change the component
type and it's name. Obviously, the concept is lost on me.

brad


From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Oct 19 08:21:19 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:21:19 +0200
Subject: MAOptionDescription is abstract
In-Reply-To: <453577AB.1050806@sonaural.com>
References: <453577AB.1050806@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <827D38E4-4858-485D-81ED-657374E3D0BF@iam.unibe.ch>

> "MAOptionDescription is abstract"

Use one of their subclasses, MAMultipleOptionDescription or  
MASingleOptionDescription, they are both concrete.

Cheers,
Lukas

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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Oct 19 08:22:13 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:22:13 +0200
Subject: Text in Header
In-Reply-To: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>

 > "If you only want to change the title of the site this is even  
simpler.
 > Open up your web-browser, browse to 'Environment', then 'Header', hit
 > 'Settings' and change the title field from '%k' (the name of the
 > current *k*ernel) to something else."

This is odd, following my instructions it works for me. What version
of Pier are you using? The image I have here is Pier-Model-lr.87 and
Pier-Seaside-lr.82.

Cheers,
Lukas

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From brad at sonaural.com  Thu Oct 19 16:36:41 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:36:41 -0700
Subject: Version reporting? (Re: Text in Header)
In-Reply-To: <370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>
	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <45378D79.60804@sonaural.com>

Lukas Renggli wrote:
>  > "If you only want to change the title of the site this is even  
> simpler.
>  > Open up your web-browser, browse to 'Environment', then 'Header', hit
>  > 'Settings' and change the title field from '%k' (the name of the
>  > current *k*ernel) to something else."
>
> This is odd, following my instructions it works for me. What version
> of Pier are you using? The image I have here is Pier-Model-lr.87 and
> Pier-Seaside-lr.82.
>   
How do you find out? I searched for a method to return the version, but
I didn't see any. Seems it ought to be in the seaside tests.

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 19 16:56:35 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:56:35 +0100
Subject: Version reporting? (Re: Text in Header)
In-Reply-To: <45378D79.60804@sonaural.com>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>
	<45378D79.60804@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <45379223.2000500@yahoo.co.uk>

Dear Brad,

if you open a monticello browser (world menu open) it lists all of the 
loaded packages and their versions.

 From the look of the walkback it appears as though you may have 
accidentally deleted a '.' (period) in one of the methods.

Keith
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From brad at sonaural.com  Thu Oct 19 17:00:26 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:00:26 -0700
Subject: Version reporting? (Re: Text in Header)
In-Reply-To: <45379223.2000500@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>	<45378D79.60804@sonaural.com>
	<45379223.2000500@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4537930A.8080900@sonaural.com>

Keith Hodges wrote:
> Dear Brad,
>
> if you open a monticello browser (world menu open) it lists all of the 
> loaded packages and their versions.
>   
duh...
>  From the look of the walkback it appears as though you may have 
> accidentally deleted a '.' (period) in one of the methods.
>   
really? crap!

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 19 17:21:02 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:21:02 +0100
Subject: Version reporting? (Re: Text in Header)
In-Reply-To: <4537930A.8080900@sonaural.com>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>	<45378D79.60804@sonaural.com>	<45379223.2000500@yahoo.co.uk>
	<4537930A.8080900@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <453797DE.20007@yahoo.co.uk>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> Oh ignore me, I thought you had been editing methods in the image.

Keith
> really? crap!
>
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From brad at sonaural.com  Thu Oct 19 17:20:11 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:20:11 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Seaside-Magma-Pier
In-Reply-To: <45361B52.6020107@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45361B52.6020107@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <453797AB.20308@sonaural.com>

Keith Hodges wrote:
> In order to produce a full installation of Seaside-Magma-Pier the 
> configuration script is now available at.
>
> http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/smallwiki/pier/installationofseasidemagmaandpier
>
> To use it, open a vanilla image, open a workspace and 'doit'.
>
> as always feedback would be welcomed.
>   
Keith,
I tried in a vanilla 3.8 image and rcv'd errors.
First one is:
Unknown variable: Installer

From brad at sonaural.com  Thu Oct 19 17:22:24 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:22:24 -0700
Subject: Text in Header
In-Reply-To: <370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>
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From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:25:39 -0700
Subject: Text in Header
In-Reply-To: <45379830.9050708@sonaural.com>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 19 17:46:57 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:46:57 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Seaside-Magma-Pier
In-Reply-To: <453797AB.20308@sonaural.com>
References: <45361B52.6020107@yahoo.co.uk> <453797AB.20308@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <45379DF1.4020605@yahoo.co.uk>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> Keith Hodges wrote:
>   
>> In order to produce a full installation of Seaside-Magma-Pier the 
>> configuration script is now available at.
>>
>> http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/smallwiki/pier/installationofseasidemagmaandpier
>>
>> To use it, open a vanilla image, open a workspace and 'doit'.
>>
>> as always feedback would be welcomed.
>>   
>>     
> Keith,
> I tried in a vanilla 3.8 image and rcv'd errors.
> First one is:
> Unknown variable: Installer
>
>   
Dear Brad,

yes that is to be expected. The first line loads 'Installer', so you 
have to "do-it" the first line of the script first. Then the rest of the 
script should be ok.

Occasionally the servers are slow and a script might fail, but hopefully 
you will be ok.

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From brad at sonaural.com  Thu Oct 19 18:06:22 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:06:22 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Seaside-Magma-Pier
In-Reply-To: <45379DF1.4020605@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45361B52.6020107@yahoo.co.uk> <453797AB.20308@sonaural.com>
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From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:14:53 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Seaside-Magma-Pier
In-Reply-To: <4537A27E.7070904@sonaural.com>
References: <45361B52.6020107@yahoo.co.uk>
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 19 18:30:03 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:30:03 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Seaside-Magma-Pier
In-Reply-To: <4537A47D.1070607@sonaural.com>
References: <45361B52.6020107@yahoo.co.uk>	<453797AB.20308@sonaural.com>	<45379DF1.4020605@yahoo.co.uk>	<4537A27E.7070904@sonaural.com>
	<4537A47D.1070607@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <4537A80B.5070204@yahoo.co.uk>

aww stupid squeakmap!

Keith
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From brad at sonaural.com  Thu Oct 19 18:42:20 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:42:20 -0700
Subject: Text in Header
In-Reply-To: <45379830.9050708@sonaural.com>
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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 19 18:58:49 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:58:49 +0100
Subject: Text in Header
In-Reply-To: <4537AAEC.1090407@sonaural.com>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>	<45379830.9050708@sonaural.com>
	<4537AAEC.1090407@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <4537AEC9.3060908@yahoo.co.uk>

Brad, you must be getting frustrated

meet me in irc #squeak

I am Keithy

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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Oct 19 23:45:28 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:45:28 +0200
Subject: UserCommands?
In-Reply-To: <4536CDBD.6060008@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <4536CDBD.6060008@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BA601222-7667-45BC-84A6-E62D1F90C48E@iam.unibe.ch>

This looks like a problem with backward compatibility with one of my  
latest changes in the Pier-Security package: What I did is to add  
permissions to be able to control the commands on a much fine-grained  
bases, not only on command level. For example that anonymous people  
are only able to add Pages, but not components or resources.

Now the problem is that the security decoration does not expect  
command classes anymore, but Permission instances. Permission  
instances basically reference a command class together with some  
additional constraints. To fix you problem you need to reset the  
security model. If you are still able to access the 'Change Group',  
'Change Owner' and 'Change Other' commands simply reassign all the  
rights recursively. Else something like

	PUSecurity allInstances: [ :each |
		each
			groupPermissions: nil;
			otherPermissions: nil;
			ownerPermissions: nil ]

might do the trick.

Sorry for the inconvenience, but sometimes a change like that is  
unavoidable ;-)

Cheers,
Lukas


On 19 Oct 2006, at 02:58, Keith Hodges wrote:

> I get this walkback commonly when using Security commands
>
> this is before I have added any users.
>
> Keith
>
>
>  MessageNotUnderstood: PUAddPermission>>do:separatedBy:
>
>    * PUAddPermission(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #do:separatedBy:
>
>          self 	Add Component
>          *temps*
>          aMessage 	do: [] in
>          MAStringWriter>>visitMultipleOptionDescription: {[:each |  
> self
>          object: each during: [s...etc...
>          *inst vars*
>          properties 	nil
>          command 	PRAddCommand
>          structure 	PRComponent
>
>    * MAStringWriter>>visitMultipleOptionDescription:
>
>          self 	a MAStringWriter
>          *temps*
>          aDescription 	a MAMultipleOptionDescription label:
>          'Permissions' comment: 'Defines the set of permissions used
>          tog...etc...
>          each 	nil
>          *inst vars*
>          stream 	a WriteStream ''
>          object 	Add Component
>
>    * MAMultipleOptionDescription>>acceptMagritte:
>
>          self 	a MAMultipleOptionDescription label: 'Permissions'
>          comment: 'Defines the set of permissions used tog...etc...
>          *temps*
>          aVisitor 	a MAStringWriter
>          *inst vars*
>          properties 	a Dictionary(#attributes->a WAHtmlAttributes
>          #comment->'Defines the set of permissions used  
> together...etc...
>          accessor 	(MASelectorAccessor read: #permissions write:
>          #permissions:)
>          reference 	a MAPriorityContainer label: 'Permission'  
> comment: nil
>          options 	[an Array(Add File Add Page Add Component Edit Copy
>          Move Remove View Environment Settings Change Group Change
>          Other Change Owner)]
>
>    * MAStringWriter(MAVisitor)>>visit:
>
>          self 	a MAStringWriter
>          *temps*
>          anObject 	a MAMultipleOptionDescription label: 'Permissions'
>          comment: 'Defines the set of permissions used tog...etc...
>          *inst vars*
>          stream 	a WriteStream ''
>          object 	Add Component
>
>    * MAStringWriter(MAWriter)>>write:description:to:
>
>          self 	a MAStringWriter
>          *temps*
>          anObject 	Add Component
>          aDescription 	a MAMultipleOptionDescription label:
>          'Permissions' comment: 'Defines the set of permissions used
>          tog...etc...
>          aStream 	a WriteStream ''
>          *inst vars*
>          stream 	a WriteStream ''
>          object 	Add Component
>
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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Oct 19 23:54:33 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:54:33 +0200
Subject: Merging
In-Reply-To: <4536D316.7010709@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45361896.5000407@yahoo.co.uk>
	<48201F3F-753C-4DFC-A4BA-B723DFDA9C7E@iam.unibe.ch>
	<4536BE0E.8060100@yahoo.co.uk> <4536D316.7010709@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DFE86EFD-B793-4659-80CE-60FABE8489E1@iam.unibe.ch>

>>> I am opening the widgets like so:
>>>
>>> openWidget: widget  titled: title
>>>
>>>    self call: (PRCurrentContext use: self during: [
>>>        ((widget)
>>>                context;
>>>                addDecoration: (WAWindowDecoration new
>>>                                title: title);
>>>                yourself)
>>>        ]).
>>>
>>
>> Mhh, this certainly does not work, since the component is called  
>> outside the scope of the dynamic-variable. Thus it should work if  
>> you move the dynamic-variable outside the call:
>>
>> openWidget: widget  titled: title
>>     PRCurrentContext use: self during: [
>>         self call: (widget
>>             context;
>>             addDecoration: (WAWindowDecoration new
>>                 title: title;
>>                 yourself);
>>             yourself) ]
>
> I attempted the fix you suggested, but no luck.

Obviously this is a bit trickier than I first thought to get the  
stack right. In fact Seaside is using the same technique to get  
access to the  current session ...

Try this, this should finally work, I hope :-)

openWidget: widget  titled: title
     PRCurrentContext use: self during: [
         WARenderLoop new call: ((widget
             addDecoration: (WAWindowDecoration new
                 title: title;
                 yourself);
             yourself) ]

Cheers,
Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Thu Oct 19 23:57:55 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:57:55 +0200
Subject: subclass overridden #build:
In-Reply-To: <4cbfccd70610131005p3a41101eraa9f5f1f260f76b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cbfccd70610131005p3a41101eraa9f5f1f260f76b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BBAAF02-F2BE-43CA-8540-3888D614F2BD@iam.unibe.ch>

> Whenever I try to access some form component of the model.  Whether in
> Pier or in my own testing of Magritte, I this error.
>
> "Error: My subclass should have overridden #build:"
>
> I've searched the documentation.  Yet, I couldn't find anything about
> how to override "build:".  Also because it is happening in Pier, not
> just my own implementation of Magritte.  I'm assuming something else
> is at fault.

It is a bit hard to guess from your description what is going wrong  
in your image. I assume that you update Magritte from an old version  
and now there is something wrong with the description cache. Try to  
evaluate the following code:

	MADescriptionBuilder initialize

Please give a more detailled description what you are trying to do  
and how the full stack trace of the error locks like, if the problem  
persists.

Cheers,
Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From brad at sonaural.com  Fri Oct 20 02:14:05 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:14:05 -0700
Subject: Text in Header
In-Reply-To: <370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>
	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <453814CD.9090605@sonaural.com>

Lukas Renggli wrote:
>  > "If you only want to change the title of the site this is even  
> simpler.
>  > Open up your web-browser, browse to 'Environment', then 'Header', hit
>  > 'Settings' and change the title field from '%k' (the name of the
>  > current *k*ernel) to something else."
>
> This is odd, following my instructions it works for me. What version
> of Pier are you using? The image I have here is Pier-Model-lr.87 and
> Pier-Seaside-lr.82.
>   
I just upgraded to these versions and I still have the same problem.

(but, it fixed another problem though!)


From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 20 04:40:11 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:40:11 +0100
Subject: Text in Header
In-Reply-To: <4537AAEC.1090407@sonaural.com>
References: <45367B8E.8060302@sonaural.com>	<370792BF-549F-4FC3-ABAB-897DD51311E2@iam.unibe.ch>	<45379830.9050708@sonaural.com>
	<4537AAEC.1090407@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <4538370B.1070106@yahoo.co.uk>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> Brad Fuller wrote:
>> Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>>  > "If you only want to change the title of the site this is even  
>>> simpler.
>>>  > Open up your web-browser, browse to 'Environment', then 'Header', hit
>>>  > 'Settings' and change the title field from '%k' (the name of the
>>>  > current *k*ernel) to something else."
>>>
>>>       
Just to confirm that this worked for me, using the image generated from

http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/smallwiki/pier/installationofseasidemagmaandpier

It even works if I am not logged in! Lukas?

Between us lukas and I sorted the PRPierControlPanel which appears in my 
later versions of Pier-Seaside-kph, but you need a fix from 
Magritte-Seaside to use the User/Groups editors.

best regards

Keith
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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Fri Oct 20 11:15:11 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:15:11 +0200
Subject: UserCommands?
In-Reply-To: <45381BB9.7040407@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <4536CDBD.6060008@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BA601222-7667-45BC-84A6-E62D1F90C48E@iam.unibe.ch>
	<45381BB9.7040407@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0104E837-E514-45B7-ADEE-AE729C5E1CA9@iam.unibe.ch>

> With respect to the other walk back. I am using a completely fresh  
> image all the latest sources from monticello.
>
> (see http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/smallwiki/pier/ 
> installationofseasidemagmaandpier)

I get an error with the installer that #isArray is not understood in  
a 3.8 image ... though that is quickly fixed.

Now I understand what you installer scripts are all about. Really  
cool is the thing with #answer:with:. In wonder why you have  
everything in a single class and not have subclasses for SqueakMap,  
Mantis, SqueakSource, etc?

> similar walkbacks are occuring which leads me to beleive that there  
> is something missing from the magritte code. Is there an update  
> that has missed being checked in?

Ouch, I found a bug in Magritte that was introduced with another  
project and caused some problems in Pier. Unfortunately I never  
tested the latest version of Magritte together with Pier.

The problem should be fixed now.

Name: Magritte-All-lr.172
Author: lr
Time: 20 October 2006, 11:13:06 am
UUID: 707fe363-6537-4ac4-b947-e92531149efd
Ancestors: Magritte-All-lr.171
Dependencies: Magritte-Model-lr.225, Magritte-Tests-lr.95, Magritte- 
Seaside-lr.198, Magritte-Morph-lr.33

- fixed a bug for single-selection and multiple-selection rendering

Cheers,
Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Fri Oct 20 20:34:12 2006
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:34:12 +0200
Subject: UserCommands?
In-Reply-To: <0104E837-E514-45B7-ADEE-AE729C5E1CA9@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <4536CDBD.6060008@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BA601222-7667-45BC-84A6-E62D1F90C48E@iam.unibe.ch>
	<45381BB9.7040407@yahoo.co.uk>
	<0104E837-E514-45B7-ADEE-AE729C5E1CA9@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <EB5378D3-35B0-42D3-AFD7-CD398D9443F7@iam.unibe.ch>

> Ouch, I found a bug in Magritte that was introduced with another
> project and caused some problems in Pier. Unfortunately I never
> tested the latest version of Magritte together with Pier.

:) I like that description....bug are vicious :)

Lukas will you present saturday the latest cool stuff of pier :)

Stef

From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Sat Oct 21 10:34:47 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:34:47 +0200
Subject: UserCommands?
In-Reply-To: <EB5378D3-35B0-42D3-AFD7-CD398D9443F7@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <4536CDBD.6060008@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BA601222-7667-45BC-84A6-E62D1F90C48E@iam.unibe.ch>
	<45381BB9.7040407@yahoo.co.uk>
	<0104E837-E514-45B7-ADEE-AE729C5E1CA9@iam.unibe.ch>
	<EB5378D3-35B0-42D3-AFD7-CD398D9443F7@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <72ED3F45-2CC8-4137-964D-6D016800EC11@iam.unibe.ch>

> Lukas will you present saturday the latest cool stuff of pier :)

Saturday in a week at the Squeak meeting ... yes sure, if there is  
interest ;-)


-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From frank.urbach at schmees.com  Sat Oct 21 10:53:48 2006
From: frank.urbach at schmees.com (Frank Urbach)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:53:48 +0000 GMT
Subject: AW: Re: UserCommands?
Message-ID: <795574012-1161420664-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-27274-@engine21-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry>

>Saturday in a week at the Squeak >meeting ... yes sure, if there is
>interest ;-)

Of course !! :-)

Cheers,
  Frank

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 23 23:08:58 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:08:58 +0100
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>	<09FFFE4F-7AD2-404D-B7DC-FBE1AB0ECF46@freudenbergs.de>	<66666f210610230647h1bb56f30jf73d2e40ebda6b44@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD355.3020608@acm.org>	<66666f210610230744u24129672u12c4c1ad1332d78f@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD622.1010402@acm.org>	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org>
Message-ID: <453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>

The process of porting minnow from swiki to pier, is likely to happen. 
It will just require a little bit of patience, as the needed components 
are road-tested and refined.

As you can imagine my own testing process has been somewhat hindered by 
image freezes. Now that I have been informed that Squeak vm 3.6.3 is 
actually stable. I have been able to create a pier-wiki with 6200 or 
more pages for testing purposes.

Initial Stats Using Pier with PRNullPersistency (i.e. everything in 
memory):

6200 pages  (generated one for each squeak class from squeak sources)
235352 internal links.
Adding a page 100-500ms
Removing a page 215 seconds!!
(many wikis dont support removing pages anyway)
Total Memory = 77Mb.

Compare this to minnow: Text data of its 5889 pages is about 30Mb.
Of course the swiki, has full page history, and uploaded files too.

Pier Magma should be able to handle this kind of load, but it remains to 
be explicitly tested.

Anticipated work to make things workable.
1. Some explicit caching of items that will slow pier-magma down with 
data on disk rather than in memory. Removal of pages may be extremely 
slow without this.
2. Explicit support for an indexed full text search which avoids the 
need to traverse the whole data tree for a simple search.
3. Some form of logging of user edits in addition to the default 
persistency strategy.

J J wrote:
 >I would say go to Pier.  I think Kieth released some software that you 
can point >at the swiki and it will slurp it all up.  Am I right Kieth?

I haven't written any proper data slurper for minnow. I believe there is 
already an importing tool. I have pointed wget at minnow to get the 
current set of pages as a test data set. Its about 30Mb or so.

Which leads me to a question. How would pier handle some random person 
running this script?

#!/usr/bin/ruby

for i in 1..5889
        print `wget --user=squeak --password=viewpoints 
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/#{i
}.edit`
end

this would probably create almost 5800 seaside sessions, in a matter of 
minutes?

Keith











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From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 24 01:01:30 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:01:30 +0100
Subject: Scalability
Message-ID: <453D49CA.3050907@yahoo.co.uk>

PRPier running with PRNullPersistency

6200 pages in 78Mb
Remove page 215 seconds.

18600 pages in 130 Mb
Remove page 500seconds!

It does take quite a while to copy 6200 pages ~10 Mins, but it does do it.

Keith



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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Oct 24 07:25:03 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:25:03 +0200
Subject: Scalability
In-Reply-To: <453D49CA.3050907@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <453D49CA.3050907@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2123D927-013B-45FD-A9CA-E5699EEE9802@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi Keith,

interesting results. I never tried Pier with so many pages ;-)

> 6200 pages in 78Mb
> Remove page 215 seconds.
>
> 18600 pages in 130 Mb
> Remove page 500seconds!

I know why removing a page takes so much longer than adding a page:  
When Pier removes a page, it has to go trough the whole system to  
check if there are any references that should be nil-ed. Obviously  
this might take a while to walk trough the whole model. In fact it  
could be easily cached/optimized, if necessary. For such a huge model  
you probably would like to have some indexes anyway, such as a full  
text index.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From stephane.ducasse at free.fr  Tue Oct 24 08:45:00 2006
From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:45:00 +0200
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>	<09FFFE4F-7AD2-404D-B7DC-FBE1AB0ECF46@freudenbergs.de>	<66666f210610230647h1bb56f30jf73d2e40ebda6b44@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD355.3020608@acm.org>	<66666f210610230744u24129672u12c4c1ad1332d78f@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD622.1010402@acm.org>	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org> <453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>

Excellent!
This is really cool!
I have the impression that one possible problem could be large  
attachments, since they should not be kept in memory.

Stef

On 23 oct. 06, at 23:08, Keith Hodges wrote:

> The process of porting minnow from swiki to pier, is likely to  
> happen. It will just require a little bit of patience, as the  
> needed components are road-tested and refined.
>
> As you can imagine my own testing process has been somewhat  
> hindered by image freezes. Now that I have been informed that  
> Squeak vm 3.6.3 is actually stable. I have been able to create a  
> pier-wiki with 6200 or more pages for testing purposes.
>
> Initial Stats Using Pier with PRNullPersistency (i.e. everything in  
> memory):
>
> 6200 pages  (generated one for each squeak class from squeak sources)
> 235352 internal links.
> Adding a page 100-500ms
> Removing a page 215 seconds!!
> (many wikis dont support removing pages anyway)
> Total Memory = 77Mb.
>
> Compare this to minnow: Text data of its 5889 pages is about 30Mb.
> Of course the swiki, has full page history, and uploaded files too.
>
> Pier Magma should be able to handle this kind of load, but it  
> remains to be explicitly tested.
>
> Anticipated work to make things workable.
> 1. Some explicit caching of items that will slow pier-magma down  
> with data on disk rather than in memory. Removal of pages may be  
> extremely slow without this.
> 2. Explicit support for an indexed full text search which avoids  
> the need to traverse the whole data tree for a simple search.
> 3. Some form of logging of user edits in addition to the default  
> persistency strategy.
>
> J J wrote:
> >I would say go to Pier.  I think Kieth released some software that  
> you can point >at the swiki and it will slurp it all up.  Am I  
> right Kieth?
>
> I haven't written any proper data slurper for minnow. I believe  
> there is already an importing tool. I have pointed wget at minnow  
> to get the current set of pages as a test data set. Its about 30Mb  
> or so.
>
> Which leads me to a question. How would pier handle some random  
> person running this script?
>
> #!/usr/bin/ruby
>
> for i in 1..5889
>        print `wget --user=squeak --password=viewpoints http:// 
> minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/#{i
> }.edit`
> end
>
> this would probably create almost 5800 seaside sessions, in a  
> matter of minutes?
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http:// 
> uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>


From brad at sonaural.com  Tue Oct 24 21:24:07 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:24:07 -0700
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
Message-ID: <453E6857.20305@sonaural.com>

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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Oct 24 21:37:04 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:37:04 +0200
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
In-Reply-To: <453E6857.20305@sonaural.com>
References: <453E6857.20305@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <9500312A-C7F6-4FB4-AF51-1E4A0F845B3C@iam.unibe.ch>

> For reasons I can't remember (!), we need to make a Pier  
> installation act at the top of the domain.
> So instead of:
> www.domain.com/seaside/path
> we need:
> www.domain.com/
> only.
>
> How can this be done?

1. set the base-path of the application in the Seaside configuration  
interface to /

2. use Apache 2 to become a proxy for Squeak running on Port 8080

<VirtualHost www.domain.com:80>
   RewriteEngine On
   RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://localhost:8080/seaside/pier/$1 [P,L]
</VirtualHost>

This is (more or less) the configuration I am successfully using for  
several Pier instances.

Other possibilites have been discussed in length on the Seaside  
mailing-list, so you might want to check out the archives there.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From brad at sonaural.com  Tue Oct 24 22:21:20 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:21:20 -0700
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
In-Reply-To: <9500312A-C7F6-4FB4-AF51-1E4A0F845B3C@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <453E6857.20305@sonaural.com>
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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Oct 24 22:43:59 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:43:59 +0200
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
In-Reply-To: <453E75C0.4000808@sonaural.com>
References: <453E6857.20305@sonaural.com>
	<9500312A-C7F6-4FB4-AF51-1E4A0F845B3C@iam.unibe.ch>
	<453E75C0.4000808@sonaural.com>
Message-ID: <68A3FDB2-AADD-460A-9F96-1E9B80B2DA30@iam.unibe.ch>

>> Other possibilites have been discussed in length on the Seaside  
>> mailing-list, so you might want to check out the archives there.
>
> Gosh darn it, Sorry Lukas! I forgot to mention that we don't want  
> to write any rules. I basically have the same thing running, as you  
> mentioned above, on another machine. But, is there a way to do this  
> w/o writing any rules?

No problem. Check out this announcement, it has an example on how to  
plug together the Comanche modules for a Seaside application:

	http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2003-May/ 
058314.html

You might also want to have a look at how WAKom itself sets up the  
server (and modify this behavior).

HTH,
Lukas

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http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 24 23:54:40 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:54:40 +0100
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
In-Reply-To: <68A3FDB2-AADD-460A-9F96-1E9B80B2DA30@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <453E6857.20305@sonaural.com>	<9500312A-C7F6-4FB4-AF51-1E4A0F845B3C@iam.unibe.ch>	<453E75C0.4000808@sonaural.com>
	<68A3FDB2-AADD-460A-9F96-1E9B80B2DA30@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <453E8BA0.7050108@yahoo.co.uk>

I "set default application" in seaside config. That routes requests to 
'/' to the app of your choice.

Keith
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From brad at sonaural.com  Wed Oct 25 00:05:20 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:05:20 -0700
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
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From renggli at iam.unibe.ch  Wed Oct 25 00:15:29 2006
From: renggli at iam.unibe.ch (Lukas Renggli)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:15:29 +0200
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
In-Reply-To: <453E8F32.10006@sonaural.com>
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>> No problem. Check out this announcement, it has an example on how  
>> to plug together the Comanche modules for a Seaside application:  
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2003-May/  
>> 058314.html You might also want to have a look at how WAKom itself  
>> sets up the server (and modify this behavior).
> Thanks Lukas. That gets me a file server... as probably you wanted  
> me to know.
> If you have any pointers, I'd appreciate it. I'm just trying to get  
> the squeakfoundation.org going and Ken would rather not add any  
> more rules.

Yes, but you need to modify the example to add Seaside to the root  
and not to enable file-serving. Something like this might work:

  | ma seaside |
  seaside := WAKom new.
  ma := ModuleAssembly core.
  ma addPlug: [:request | seaside process: request]].
  (HttpService startOn: 8080 named: 'httpd') plug: ma rootModule

I've never tried, this is just a guess from what I saw in this mail.

> Ken: there is a fundamental problem on the pointer. Going to  
> www.squeakfoundation.org is not problem. But, if you hoover over  
> any link, you'll see that it links to : http://127.0.0.1:7780/ ...

In the Seaside application configuration there is also a setting to  
change the host-name and host-port. Unfortunately Kom (and Apache 1)  
does not communicate that correctly to Seaside figure it out by itself.

Cheers,
Lukas

-- 
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch



From brad at sonaural.com  Wed Oct 25 00:24:23 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:24:23 -0700
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
In-Reply-To: <C40A8F68-3CB3-4535-B0B3-155E3743F277@iam.unibe.ch>
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Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>> No problem. Check out this announcement, it has an example on how to
>>> plug together the Comanche modules for a Seaside application:
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2003-May/
>>> 058314.html You might also want to have a look at how WAKom itself
>>> sets up the server (and modify this behavior).
>> Thanks Lukas. That gets me a file server... as probably you wanted me
>> to know.
>> If you have any pointers, I'd appreciate it. I'm just trying to get
>> the squeakfoundation.org going and Ken would rather not add any more
>> rules.
>
> Yes, but you need to modify the example to add Seaside to the root and
> not to enable file-serving. Something like this might work:
>
>  | ma seaside |
>  seaside := WAKom new.
>  ma := ModuleAssembly core.
>  ma addPlug: [:request | seaside process: request]].
>  (HttpService startOn: 8080 named: 'httpd') plug: ma rootModule
>
> I've never tried, this is just a guess from what I saw in this mail.
>
>> Ken: there is a fundamental problem on the pointer. Going to
>> www.squeakfoundation.org is not problem. But, if you hoover over any
>> link, you'll see that it links to : http://127.0.0.1:7780/ ...
>
> In the Seaside application configuration there is also a setting to
> change the host-name and host-port. Unfortunately Kom (and Apache 1)
> does not communicate that correctly to Seaside figure it out by itself.
Thanks Lukas. I'll check it out!

brad

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 25 00:32:21 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:32:21 +0100
Subject: removing path and maintaining domain
In-Reply-To: <453E8E20.40601@sonaural.com>
References: <453E6857.20305@sonaural.com>	<9500312A-C7F6-4FB4-AF51-1E4A0F845B3C@iam.unibe.ch>	<453E75C0.4000808@sonaural.com>	<68A3FDB2-AADD-460A-9F96-1E9B80B2DA30@iam.unibe.ch>	<453E8BA0.7050108@yahoo.co.uk>
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Brad Fuller wrote:
> Keith Hodges wrote:
>> I "set default application" in seaside config. That routes requests to
>> '/' to the app of your choice.
> thanks Keith. I tried that and I still get the error:
>
> Error: "/" not found.

Ah, I found that that worked on a deployed box, but not on my local one. 
I have no idea why

Keith
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From brad at sonaural.com  Wed Oct 25 00:40:56 2006
From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller)
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From m.rueger at acm.org  Wed Oct 25 14:41:47 2006
From: m.rueger at acm.org (Michael Rueger)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:41:47 +0200
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>	<09FFFE4F-7AD2-404D-B7DC-FBE1AB0ECF46@freudenbergs.de>	<66666f210610230647h1bb56f30jf73d2e40ebda6b44@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD355.3020608@acm.org>	<66666f210610230744u24129672u12c4c1ad1332d78f@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD622.1010402@acm.org>	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org>
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	<1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>
Message-ID: <453F5B8B.1090305@acm.org>

stephane ducasse wrote:
> Excellent!
> This is really cool!
> I have the impression that one possible problem could be large  
> attachments, since they should not be kept in memory.

Here are the persistency and swiki import packages Thomas Froeb did:

http://source.impara.de/SmallWiki2

Michael

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 25 18:11:55 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:11:55 +0100
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <453F5B8B.1090305@acm.org>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>	<09FFFE4F-7AD2-404D-B7DC-FBE1AB0ECF46@freudenbergs.de>	<66666f210610230647h1bb56f30jf73d2e40ebda6b44@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD355.3020608@acm.org>	<66666f210610230744u24129672u12c4c1ad1332d78f@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD622.1010402@acm.org>	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org>	<453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>	<1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>
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Message-ID: <453F8CCB.6040101@yahoo.co.uk>

How does this relate to this one?

http://www.squeaksource.com/SmallWiki2Importer

Keith

> stephane ducasse wrote:
>   
>> Excellent!
>> This is really cool!
>> I have the impression that one possible problem could be large  
>> attachments, since they should not be kept in memory.
>>     
>
> Here are the persistency and swiki import packages Thomas Froeb did:
>
> http://source.impara.de/SmallWiki2
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>   


	
	
		
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From m.rueger at acm.org  Wed Oct 25 18:28:12 2006
From: m.rueger at acm.org (Michael Rueger)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:28:12 +0200
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <453F8CCB.6040101@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>	<09FFFE4F-7AD2-404D-B7DC-FBE1AB0ECF46@freudenbergs.de>	<66666f210610230647h1bb56f30jf73d2e40ebda6b44@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD355.3020608@acm.org>	<66666f210610230744u24129672u12c4c1ad1332d78f@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD622.1010402@acm.org>	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org>	<453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>	<1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>	<453F5B8B.1090305@acm.org>
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Keith Hodges wrote:
> How does this relate to this one?
> 
> http://www.squeaksource.com/SmallWiki2Importer

That was the one for SM2, but then Pier appeared ;-)
Would help if there wouldn't be more incompatible wiki versions coming 
up faster then you can actually try them...

Michael

From philippe.marschall at gmail.com  Wed Oct 25 18:35:30 2006
From: philippe.marschall at gmail.com (Philippe Marschall)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:35:30 +0200
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <453F909C.1070700@acm.org>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>
	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>
	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org> <453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>
	<1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>
	<453F5B8B.1090305@acm.org> <453F8CCB.6040101@yahoo.co.uk>
	<453F909C.1070700@acm.org>
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2006/10/25, Michael Rueger <m.rueger at acm.org>:
> Keith Hodges wrote:
> > How does this relate to this one?
> >
> > http://www.squeaksource.com/SmallWiki2Importer
>
> That was the one for SM2, but then Pier appeared ;-)

SW2 was renamed to Pier. That's all that happened.

> Would help if there wouldn't be more incompatible wiki versions coming
> up faster then you can actually try them...

Pier is several years old. SmallWiki 1 was a port not done by Lukas.

Philippe

From keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 25 19:11:50 2006
From: keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk (Keith Hodges)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:11:50 +0100
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <66666f210610250935i6f29617drc026227481ca3c67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org>
	<453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>	<1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>	<453F5B8B.1090305@acm.org>
	<453F8CCB.6040101@yahoo.co.uk>	<453F909C.1070700@acm.org>
	<66666f210610250935i6f29617drc026227481ca3c67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <453F9AD6.6040205@yahoo.co.uk>

Now I am even more confused.

Let me explain.

I took, SmallWiki2Importer from squeaksource and I munged all the names 
from SW2 to PR and I put the result into mc.lukas-renggli.ch/pieraddons 
package Importer. I have yet to test it.

So now you inform me of this new/same importer from thomas, is it the 
same code as the SmallWiki2Importer, more/less recent? Which shall we use?


Keith
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From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Wed Oct 25 20:48:40 2006
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:48:40 +0200
Subject: Minnow WIKI Migration
In-Reply-To: <453F909C.1070700@acm.org>
References: <BAY114-F13DE6373B059F92B844C6AC6000@phx.gbl>	<09FFFE4F-7AD2-404D-B7DC-FBE1AB0ECF46@freudenbergs.de>	<66666f210610230647h1bb56f30jf73d2e40ebda6b44@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD355.3020608@acm.org>	<66666f210610230744u24129672u12c4c1ad1332d78f@mail.gmail.com>	<453CD622.1010402@acm.org>	<66666f210610230758s1914b0dep87a1aa114ac740c9@mail.gmail.com>	<330b6fd60610230810s7fa64eeaha2c2d720b7177e77@mail.gmail.com>	<66666f210610231230x5e5e55b5o536918dc910a1b71@mail.gmail.com>	<453D1BAB.8090403@acm.org>	<453D2F6A.1010404@yahoo.co.uk>	<1AB59735-DD84-4AEA-A9F0-A509DBD3C1C4@free.fr>	<453F5B8B.1090305@acm.org>
	<453F8CCB.6040101@yahoo.co.uk> <453F909C.1070700@acm.org>
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On 25 oct. 06, at 18:28, Michael Rueger wrote:

> Keith Hodges wrote:
>> How does this relate to this one?
>>
>> http://www.squeaksource.com/SmallWiki2Importer
>
> That was the one for SM2, but then Pier appeared ;-)
> Would help if there wouldn't be more incompatible wiki versions coming
> up faster then you can actually try them...

Do not worry. Pier is stable now.
This is true that having a back end choice (xml like, magma...) would  
be cool.

BTW original we wanted to avoid duplicated effort but swiki people  
were not open
to any changes, WikiWorks was not really sexy so this was against our  
expectation the best
to do one.

Now the real problem is that lukas is doing that in his free time.

Stef

From garyfreder at gmail.com  Sat Oct 28 18:51:06 2006
From: garyfreder at gmail.com (Gary Frederick)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:51:06 -0500
Subject: installing pier on ubuntu was easy (so far ;-) )
Message-ID: <4943eea0610280951u1dd85167w28fb751b68fb4c82@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy

I just started looking at squeak and all the great toys it can
include. I asked about squeak wiki's on the beginners list and Keith
suggested I look at the preloaded image on www.squeak.org and join
this list.

I did Thanks! :-)

I am interested in squeak for education. We are setting up some
classes for kids (of all ages ;-) ) to learn programming. I had
included an intro to squeak in a class a few years ago and am glad I
can come back to look more.

I am looking into a wiki as one way the kids can collaborate. I ran
swiki and was pleased with the little I did with it. I am interested
in the differences between pier and swiki. I plan on working with pier
for at least the next little bit.

My adventures with pier so far are:

I installed on XP and poked a bit to see it up and running.

I then installed squeak on a ubuntu 6.06 linux box from
www.squeak.org. I realized I had not looked to see if squeak was
available from the ubuntu repositories and checked and :-) there it
was. I uninstalled the first copy and then installed from the
repositories.

I then ran with the preloaded pier image and was up in way less that 5
minutes (if you don't count the test on XP and the first load of
squeak) !!!

I added a page to the wiki and can see and edit from various computers
on our network.

I will play more if I have more time this weekend but it is looking good!

Gary

From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch  Sun Oct 29 07:16:41 2006
From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:16:41 +0100
Subject: installing pier on ubuntu was easy (so far ;-) )
In-Reply-To: <4943eea0610280951u1dd85167w28fb751b68fb4c82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4943eea0610280951u1dd85167w28fb751b68fb4c82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A90B26D2-7FDC-4E4B-8DF2-7B110294864D@iam.unibe.ch>

Hi gary

did you have a look at htttp://smallwiki.unibe.ch/botsinc

Stef

On 28 oct. 06, at 18:51, Gary Frederick wrote:

> Howdy
>
> I just started looking at squeak and all the great toys it can
> include. I asked about squeak wiki's on the beginners list and Keith
> suggested I look at the preloaded image on www.squeak.org and join
> this list.
>
> I did Thanks! :-)
>
> I am interested in squeak for education. We are setting up some
> classes for kids (of all ages ;-) ) to learn programming. I had
> included an intro to squeak in a class a few years ago and am glad I
> can come back to look more.
>
> I am looking into a wiki as one way the kids can collaborate. I ran
> swiki and was pleased with the little I did with it. I am interested
> in the differences between pier and swiki. I plan on working with pier
> for at least the next little bit.
>
> My adventures with pier so far are:
>
> I installed on XP and poked a bit to see it up and running.
>
> I then installed squeak on a ubuntu 6.06 linux box from
> www.squeak.org. I realized I had not looked to see if squeak was
> available from the ubuntu repositories and checked and :-) there it
> was. I uninstalled the first copy and then installed from the
> repositories.
>
> I then ran with the preloaded pier image and was up in way less that 5
> minutes (if you don't count the test on XP and the first load of
> squeak) !!!
>
> I added a page to the wiki and can see and edit from various computers
> on our network.
>
> I will play more if I have more time this weekend but it is looking  
> good!
>
> Gary
>
> _______________________________________________
> SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki


From garyfreder at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 10:37:31 2006
From: garyfreder at gmail.com (Gary Frederick)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:37:31 -0500
Subject: installing pier on ubuntu was easy (so far ;-) )
In-Reply-To: <A90B26D2-7FDC-4E4B-8DF2-7B110294864D@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <4943eea0610280951u1dd85167w28fb751b68fb4c82@mail.gmail.com>
	<A90B26D2-7FDC-4E4B-8DF2-7B110294864D@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <4943eea0610290137h2f68ce0dn85b046272432ae93@mail.gmail.com>

Yep. I am up to page 11 :-)

I just got that and Mark Guzdial's two squeak books. We coached Lego
robotic teams in the past and are thinking of doing a class or two for
kids interested in programming over the next few months. The idea that
we can put some software on a web page and the kids can collaborate
has lots of potential.

Thanks for the pointer! I look forward to reading your book.

Gary

On 10/29/06, st?phane ducasse <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
> Hi gary
>
> did you have a look at htttp://smallwiki.unibe.ch/botsinc
>
> Stef
>
> On 28 oct. 06, at 18:51, Gary Frederick wrote:
>
> > Howdy
> >
> > I just started looking at squeak and all the great toys it can
> > include. I asked about squeak wiki's on the beginners list and Keith
> > suggested I look at the preloaded image on www.squeak.org and join
> > this list.
> >
> > I did Thanks! :-)
> >
> > I am interested in squeak for education. We are setting up some
> > classes for kids (of all ages ;-) ) to learn programming. I had
> > included an intro to squeak in a class a few years ago and am glad I
> > can come back to look more.
> >
> > I am looking into a wiki as one way the kids can collaborate. I ran
> > swiki and was pleased with the little I did with it. I am interested
> > in the differences between pier and swiki. I plan on working with pier
> > for at least the next little bit.
> >
> > My adventures with pier so far are:
> >
> > I installed on XP and poked a bit to see it up and running.
> >
> > I then installed squeak on a ubuntu 6.06 linux box from
> > www.squeak.org. I realized I had not looked to see if squeak was
> > available from the ubuntu repositories and checked and :-) there it
> > was. I uninstalled the first copy and then installed from the
> > repositories.
> >
> > I then ran with the preloaded pier image and was up in way less that 5
> > minutes (if you don't count the test on XP and the first load of
> > squeak) !!!
> >
> > I added a page to the wiki and can see and edit from various computers
> > on our network.
> >
> > I will play more if I have more time this weekend but it is looking
> > good!
> >
> > Gary
> >
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