From yoshiki at vpri.org Tue Nov 8 20:26:29 2011 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:26:29 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: A question in Metaclass chapter In-Reply-To: References: <5B4A640A-FC6B-4558-82D0-63CF58A54EC6@free.fr> Message-ID: For these few points reported in this thread, I just took liberty and "fixed" them, and submit a pull request. -- Yoshiki From stephane.ducasse at free.fr Tue Nov 8 22:23:53 2011 From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:23:53 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: A question in Metaclass chapter In-Reply-To: References: <5B4A640A-FC6B-4558-82D0-63CF58A54EC6@free.fr> Message-ID: thanks! On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > For these few points reported in this thread, I just took liberty > and "fixed" them, and submit a pull request. > > -- Yoshiki > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > From serge.stinckwich at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 02:28:37 2011 From: serge.stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:28:37 +0900 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Where is the last version of PBE ? Message-ID: Hi all, i'm a bit confused, where is the last version of PBE ? in github or you switch back to svn ? Oscar, can you put a link from the front page of Pharo by Example to the french edition available here: http://pharobyexample.org/fr/ Thank you. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/ From bouraqadi at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 08:34:49 2011 From: bouraqadi at gmail.com (Noury Bouraqadi) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:34:49 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharobooks On 21 nov. 2011, at 02:28, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > Hi all, > > i'm a bit confused, where is the last version of PBE ? in github or > you switch back to svn ? > > Oscar, can you put a link from the front page of Pharo by Example to > the french edition available here: http://pharobyexample.org/fr/ > > Thank you. > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) > http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion Noury -- http://twitter.com/#!/NouryBouraqadi From serge.stinckwich at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 08:58:14 2011 From: serge.stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:58:14 +0900 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> Message-ID: ok thank you Noury. Maybe someone need to remove the github version because some people are still publishing pull requests. Regards, On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Noury Bouraqadi wrote: > https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharobooks > > On 21 nov. 2011, at 02:28, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> i'm a bit confused, where is the last version of PBE ? in github or >> you switch back to svn ? >> >> Oscar, can you put a link from the front page of Pharo by Example to >> the french edition available here: http://pharobyexample.org/fr/ >> >> Thank you. >> Regards, >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >> Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) >> http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Sbe-discussion mailing list >> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > > Noury > -- > http://twitter.com/#!/NouryBouraqadi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/ From yoshiki at vpri.org Mon Nov 21 19:03:02 2011 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:03:02 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> Message-ID: At Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:58:14 +0900, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > > ok thank you Noury. > Maybe someone need to remove the github version because some people > are still publishing pull requests. Wow. This is totally news to me. I suspect that the part we are translating has not changed much, but when did that switch even happened? -- Yoshiki From oscar at iam.unibe.ch Mon Nov 21 20:10:23 2011 From: oscar at iam.unibe.ch (Oscar Nierstrasz) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:10:23 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> I think it is a mistake to remove the github version just because one person has problems using git. Oscar --- Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar at iam.unibe.ch Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch/oscar University of Bern -- Tel/Fax +41 31 631.4618/3355 On Nov 21, 2011, at 19:03, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > At Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:58:14 +0900, > Serge Stinckwich wrote: >> >> ok thank you Noury. >> Maybe someone need to remove the github version because some people >> are still publishing pull requests. > > Wow. This is totally news to me. I suspect that the part we are > translating has not changed much, but when did that switch even happened? > > -- Yoshiki > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion From stephane.ducasse at free.fr Mon Nov 21 20:16:51 2011 From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:16:51 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93F1B7BE-CD5E-45E7-A774-33EC8CCC50CF@free.fr> pharobooks only contain the new books. PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/ PharoForTheEnterprise-Eng/ PharoVM-Eng/ I did not move the pharo by example one book. One of these books is published we may push it to git for translators. I think that git may be easier for translators. >> i'm a bit confused, where is the last version of PBE ? in github or >> you switch back to svn ? I moved the PBE2 because I could not work with git. Now Pharo by example is still at the place it was used to be. Since I do not know how to close PBE2 on GIT I did not but if somebody knowledgeable could do it this would be good. I'm sorry that I moved to svn but I do not have the energy to deal with the complexity of git and its wonderful user interface. Stef >> >> Oscar, can you put a link from the front page of Pharo by Example to >> the french edition available here: http://pharobyexample.org/fr/ >> >> Thank you. >> Regards, >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >> Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) >> http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Sbe-discussion mailing list >> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > > Noury > -- > http://twitter.com/#!/NouryBouraqadi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > From stephane.ducasse at free.fr Mon Nov 21 20:20:52 2011 From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:20:52 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: <379C8118-08F7-4A6E-AE81-8C5BACA5330F@free.fr> > > I think it is a mistake to remove the github version just because one person has problems using git. This was not PBE only PBE2. Now since this person is me, let us face it clearly. I wrote a lot and git got really on my way. I could not work with it. I can work well with svn and people have access to all the chapters of PBE2. So the net results is that we can all work. Now what were the alternatives: - 1 I stopped writing? May be I should at the end. - 2 I would love to be able to read cool chapters, but so far I do not see a full and steady effort from the community to do anything in that direction when I'm not committed and pushing. Stef > > Oscar > > --- > Prof. Dr. O. Nierstrasz -- oscar at iam.unibe.ch > Software Composition Group -- http://scg.unibe.ch/oscar > University of Bern -- Tel/Fax +41 31 631.4618/3355 > > > On Nov 21, 2011, at 19:03, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > >> At Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:58:14 +0900, >> Serge Stinckwich wrote: >>> >>> ok thank you Noury. >>> Maybe someone need to remove the github version because some people >>> are still publishing pull requests. >> >> Wow. This is totally news to me. I suspect that the part we are >> translating has not changed much, but when did that switch even happened? >> >> -- Yoshiki >> _______________________________________________ >> Sbe-discussion mailing list >> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > From black at cs.pdx.edu Mon Nov 21 20:37:09 2011 From: black at cs.pdx.edu (Andrew P. Black) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:37:09 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 2011, at 11:10 , Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > I think it is a mistake to remove the github version just because one person has problems using git. > Personally, I don't think that it was a mistake to move from git back to svn. I've used both, and find svn simpler and more appropriate for our task ? creating a single coherent book. Git may well be better for other tasks, such as maintaining a family of forks of related software artifacts. However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single repository. Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has here. I think that the repository on git should be removed, or replaced by a README file that says to go to https:/scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharobooks/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/ Andrew From marianopeck at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 21:30:35 2011 From: marianopeck at gmail.com (Mariano Martinez Peck) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:30:35 -0300 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Andrew P. Black wrote: > > On 21 Nov 2011, at 11:10 , Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > > > > I think it is a mistake to remove the github version just because one > person has problems using git. > > > > Personally, I don't think that it was a mistake to move from git back to > svn. I've used both, and find svn simpler and more appropriate for our > task ? creating a single coherent book. Git may well be better for other > tasks, such as maintaining a family of forks of related software artifacts. > +1 > > However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting > to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single > repository. Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has > here. > > I think that the repository on git should be removed, or replaced by a > README file that says to go to https:/ > scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharobooks/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/ > > Andrew > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephane.ducasse at free.fr Mon Nov 21 22:10:26 2011 From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:10:26 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: I was sad that the technology alienates me that hard. I like the concept of git and of pull requests, because it favors cherry picking. But I ***could*** not work with this system. Sometimes I lost 40 min to not even be able to see a change. So I just need something that is optimized for the tasks in 95% of the case and not the inverse. I'm fixing the read me. now. Stef >> >> I think it is a mistake to remove the github version just because one person has problems using git. >> > > Personally, I don't think that it was a mistake to move from git back to svn. I've used both, and find svn simpler and more appropriate for our task ? creating a single coherent book. Git may well be better for other tasks, such as maintaining a family of forks of related software artifacts. > > However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single repository. Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has here. > > I think that the repository on git should be removed, or replaced by a README file that says to go to https:/scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharobooks/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/ > > Andrew > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > From Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 02:11:07 2011 From: Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:11:07 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] [SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english] b774cc: Move the important section on the top so the peopl... Message-ID: <20111122011107.3697542532@smtp1.rs.github.com> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english Commit: b774cc901bf38b1dbfa328c717bcc06fd3894892 https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/commit/b774cc901bf38b1dbfa328c717bcc06fd3894892 Author: Serge Stinckwich Date: 2011-11-21 (Mon, 21 Nov 2011) Changed paths: M README.markdown Log Message: ----------- Move the important section on the top so the people see it clearly. From serge.stinckwich at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 02:13:46 2011 From: serge.stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:13:46 +0900 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:10 AM, stephane ducasse wrote: > I was sad that the technology alienates me that hard. I like the concept of git and of pull requests, because it favors cherry picking. > But I ***could*** not work with this system. Sometimes I lost 40 min to not even be able to see a change. > So I just need something that is optimized for the tasks in 95% of the case and not the inverse. I don't have any serious problems using git until now, but maybe i'm using it in quite simple scenario. > I'm fixing the read me. now. I move the warning section on the top, so the people see it more clearly. The problem is that the INRIA svn is closed, so the number of people who can contribute is really limited. Maybe this is less a problem for the original version of PBE than the translations. Is it possible something like a sync between the svn and the git repositories ? Who is managing the pull requests ? Best regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/ From Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 02:17:05 2011 From: Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:17:05 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] [SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english] 26c47a: Update README.markdown Message-ID: <20111122011705.4E2C64252B@smtp1.rs.github.com> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english Commit: 26c47a5495c836cb19d6e0b43b009fed17dcaef9 https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/commit/26c47a5495c836cb19d6e0b43b009fed17dcaef9 Author: Serge Stinckwich Date: 2011-11-21 (Mon, 21 Nov 2011) Changed paths: M README.markdown Log Message: ----------- Update README.markdown From Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 02:26:10 2011 From: Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:26:10 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] [SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english] 139c81: Merge pull request #11 from yoshikiohshima/master Message-ID: <20111122012610.AB04F4252B@smtp1.rs.github.com> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english Commit: 139c81a46b045dbc8fefda6c464add94c57cbd29 https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/commit/139c81a46b045dbc8fefda6c464add94c57cbd29 Author: Serge Stinckwich Date: 2011-11-21 (Mon, 21 Nov 2011) Changed paths: M Metaclasses/Metaclasses.tex Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #11 from yoshikiohshima/master Rewriting Metaclasses.tex to clarify a few things. From Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 02:38:07 2011 From: Serge.Stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:38:07 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] [SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english] a24540: Merge pull request #7 from Rydier/master Message-ID: <20111122013807.8501942427@smtp1.rs.github.com> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english Commit: a2454009df986643f0f191a2f531570201b73025 https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/commit/a2454009df986643f0f191a2f531570201b73025 Author: Serge Stinckwich Date: 2011-11-21 (Mon, 21 Nov 2011) Changed paths: M Float/Float.tex Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #7 from Rydier/master Changes to the Float chapter for easier readability. From serge.stinckwich at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 02:39:22 2011 From: serge.stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:39:22 +0900 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:10 AM, stephane ducasse > wrote: >> I was sad that the technology alienates me that hard. I like the concept of git and of pull requests, because it favors cherry picking. >> But I ***could*** not work with this system. Sometimes I lost 40 min to not even be able to see a change. >> So I just need something that is optimized for the tasks in 95% of the case and not the inverse. > > I don't have any serious problems using git until now, but maybe i'm > using it in quite simple scenario. > >> I'm fixing the read me. now. > > I move the warning section on the top, so the people see it more clearly. > > The problem is that the INRIA svn is closed, so the number of people > who can contribute is really limited. > Maybe this is less a problem for the original version of PBE than the > translations. > > Is it possible something like a sync between the svn and the git repositories ? > Who is managing the pull requests ? I decide to merge the pull requests of Yoshiki: https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/pull/11 and some light modifications proposed by Henrik Johansen: https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/pull/7 There is one pull request left: a new draft chapter about DBXTalk : https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/pull/8 As this is something new, maybe this one should be incorporated in PBE2 ? Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/ From stephane.ducasse at free.fr Tue Nov 22 08:13:27 2011 From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:13:27 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: <68740EDE-6901-4AA6-A341-D533838AA9B8@free.fr> >> >>> I was sad that the technology alienates me that hard. I like the concept of git and of pull requests, because it favors cherry picking. >>> But I ***could*** not work with this system. Sometimes I lost 40 min to not even be able to see a change. >>> So I just need something that is optimized for the tasks in 95% of the case and not the inverse. >> >> I don't have any serious problems using git until now, but maybe i'm >> using it in quite simple scenario. >> >>> I'm fixing the read me. now. >> >> I move the warning section on the top, so the people see it more clearly. >> >> The problem is that the INRIA svn is closed, so the number of people >> who can contribute is really limited. >> Maybe this is less a problem for the original version of PBE than the >> translations. >> >> Is it possible something like a sync between the svn and the git repositories ? >> Who is managing the pull requests ? Not me I have no idea. > I decide to merge the pull requests of Yoshiki: > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/pull/11 > and some light modifications proposed by Henrik Johansen: > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/pull/7 Ok I will have to check then. > > There is one pull request left: a new draft chapter about DBXTalk : > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english/pull/8 Yes we should move it to svn > > As this is something new, maybe this one should be incorporated in PBE2 ? > > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) > http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > From damien.pollet at inria.fr Tue Nov 22 14:17:42 2011 From: damien.pollet at inria.fr (Damien Pollet) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:17:42 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: On Nov 21, 2011, at 20:37, Andrew P. Black wrote: > However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single repository. Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has here. I've seen that github have implemented support for SVN. I think it's pretty complete but I need to check. If yes, that would allow a single repo, and people can access it with svn or git as they wish. -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet From serge.stinckwich at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 14:32:07 2011 From: serge.stinckwich at gmail.com (Serge Stinckwich) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:32:07 +0900 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Damien Pollet wrote: > On Nov 21, 2011, at 20:37, Andrew P. Black wrote: > >> However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single repository. ?Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has here. > > I've seen that github have implemented support for SVN. I think it's pretty complete but I need to check. If yes, that would allow a single repo, and people can access it with svn or git as they wish. Yes here: https://github.com/blog/966-improved-subversion-client-support -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/ From oscar at iam.unibe.ch Tue Nov 22 15:24:56 2011 From: oscar at iam.unibe.ch (Oscar Nierstrasz) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:24:56 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: Amazing! on On Nov 22, 2011, at 14:32 , Serge Stinckwich wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Damien Pollet wrote: >> On Nov 21, 2011, at 20:37, Andrew P. Black wrote: >> >>> However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single repository. Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has here. >> >> I've seen that github have implemented support for SVN. I think it's pretty complete but I need to check. If yes, that would allow a single repo, and people can access it with svn or git as they wish. > > Yes here: https://github.com/blog/966-improved-subversion-client-support > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) > http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion From damien.cassou at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 15:32:58 2011 From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:32:58 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > Amazing! yes, but look at the last comment on the page. As soon as this is fixed, if it works well, and if St?ph is ok, I will migrate to github again. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry From b.prior at ieee.org Tue Nov 22 18:41:34 2011 From: b.prior at ieee.org (Bruce Prior) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:41:34 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: <4ECBDECE.7000706@ieee.org> Hi Andrew, I tried to access the link you provided, but it is closed (needs a password). Perhaps some of us could contribute to the editing of PBE2 if we could see it. Bruce Prior On 11-11-21 11:37 AM, Andrew P. Black wrote: > On 21 Nov 2011, at 11:10 , Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > >> I think it is a mistake to remove the github version just because one person has problems using git. >> > Personally, I don't think that it was a mistake to move from git back to svn. I've used both, and find svn simpler and more appropriate for our task ? creating a single coherent book. Git may well be better for other tasks, such as maintaining a family of forks of related software artifacts. > > However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single repository. Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has here. > > I think that the repository on git should be removed, or replaced by a README file that says to go to https:/scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharobooks/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/ > > Andrew > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > From black at cs.pdx.edu Tue Nov 22 18:48:21 2011 From: black at cs.pdx.edu (Andrew P. Black) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:48:21 -0800 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: <4ECBDECE.7000706@ieee.org> References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> <4ECBDECE.7000706@ieee.org> Message-ID: On 22 Nov 2011, at 09:41 , Bruce Prior wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > I tried to access the link you provided, but it is closed (needs a password). Perhaps some of us could contribute to the editing of PBE2 if we could see it. > > Bruce Prior There is a page to apply for an account, as there is with github. It's at https://gforge.inria.fr/. The name of the project is pharobooks. One of the questions on the account creation form is: "Name of the Inria research team you are working with or in". I'm not sure if one types "Pharobooks" here, or something else. St?ph? Andrew From stephane.ducasse at free.fr Tue Nov 22 20:51:55 2011 From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:51:55 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Where is the last version of PBE ? In-Reply-To: References: <04F45A9F-15A8-4AB1-BB54-CCE7A8960905@gmail.com> <9CA08508-2E2C-444C-B845-066A7B0B70B1@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: <48C3D025-E928-4B3D-8A75-9F1C0CC9910F@free.fr> RMOD Normally I wrote it in the read me. Stef On Nov 22, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Damien Pollet wrote: > On Nov 21, 2011, at 20:37, Andrew P. Black wrote: > >> However, mistake or not, we made the move back to svn, and anyone wanting to contribute to PBE2 needs to know that, and to share the single repository. Having two repositories will just lead to confusion, as it has here. > > I've seen that github have implemented support for SVN. I think it's pretty complete but I need to check. If yes, that would allow a single repo, and people can access it with svn or git as they wish. > > -- > Damien Pollet > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > From damien.cassou at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 21:23:28 2011 From: damien.cassou at gmail.com (Damien Cassou) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:23:28 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: PharoBooks Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bruce, On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Bruce Prior wrote: > I am writing to ask if any further reviewers of Pharo By Example 2 are needed. I was a reviewer of "Dynamic Web Development Using Seaside" and use PBE 1 regularly. I am a hobbyist Smalltalker and make to claim to expertise, but I have been dabbling in Smalltalk programming for many years. I have an INRIA account but am not associated with any projects at this time. help is always appreciated, thank you. You can propose your help on the mailing list (on CC) and also review the chapters listed in http://pharobyexample.org/. Thank you again -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry From stephane.ducasse at free.fr Wed Nov 30 18:49:56 2011 From: stephane.ducasse at free.fr (stephane ducasse) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:49:56 +0100 Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: PharoBooks Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74257954-8DE8-402D-8AE1-FF233D9B38E5@free.fr> HI bruce I added you to the PharoBooks repo. Let me know if tis is working for you. https://ducasse at scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharobooks/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng Stef > Dear Bruce, > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Bruce Prior wrote: >> I am writing to ask if any further reviewers of Pharo By Example 2 are needed. I was a reviewer of "Dynamic Web Development Using Seaside" and use PBE 1 regularly. I am a hobbyist Smalltalker and make to claim to expertise, but I have been dabbling in Smalltalk programming for many years. I have an INRIA account but am not associated with any projects at this time. > > help is always appreciated, thank you. You can propose your help on > the mailing list (on CC) and also review the chapters listed in > http://pharobyexample.org/. > > Thank you again > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Sbe-discussion mailing list > Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion >