From sampson.john7 at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 16 15:54:45 2009
From: sampson.john7 at googlemail.com (John Sampson)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:54:45 +0000
Subject: [sbe-discussion]  Newbie and versions
Message-ID: <932820840903160754x4815e664wd0dd002a55e4048a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello -

I am a newcomer to Squeak and I am working through 'Squeak by Example' using
the current download of Squeak for Windows (3.10). Should I be using
an earlier version
of Squeak, and if so how should I obtain it? I am not clear about
upgrades from version
to version, whether they are new versions of the .exe file or of the
basic image or both.

The version I have seems to behave differently from the descriptions
in the book, which
confuses a newcomer like myself.

Regards

_John Sampson_

From oscar at iam.unibe.ch  Mon Mar 16 16:50:12 2009
From: oscar at iam.unibe.ch (Oscar Nierstrasz)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:50:12 +0100
Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Newbie and versions
In-Reply-To: <932820840903160754x4815e664wd0dd002a55e4048a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <932820840903160754x4815e664wd0dd002a55e4048a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF87E1DA-1EA2-4590-B3BD-C1CE743E0118@iam.unibe.ch>


Hi John,

If you want the exact image used to produce the book, you can get it  
from the http://SqueakByExample.org/  web site.

http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/4624/SqueakByExample-1.3.zip

Cheers,
- on

On Mar 16, 2009, at 15:54, John Sampson wrote:

> Hello -
>
> I am a newcomer to Squeak and I am working through 'Squeak by  
> Example' using
> the current download of Squeak for Windows (3.10). Should I be using
> an earlier version
> of Squeak, and if so how should I obtain it? I am not clear about
> upgrades from version
> to version, whether they are new versions of the .exe file or of the
> basic image or both.
>
> The version I have seems to behave differently from the descriptions
> in the book, which
> confuses a newcomer like myself.
>
> Regards
>
> _John Sampson_
> _______________________________________________
> Sbe-discussion mailing list
> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion


From sampson.john7 at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 16 23:03:49 2009
From: sampson.john7 at googlemail.com (John Sampson)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:03:49 +0000
Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Newbie and versions
In-Reply-To: <DF87E1DA-1EA2-4590-B3BD-C1CE743E0118@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <932820840903160754x4815e664wd0dd002a55e4048a@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF87E1DA-1EA2-4590-B3BD-C1CE743E0118@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <932820840903161503k6acdc4f4vdc3bb0f786916281@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the URL. It is the same one I downloaded previously so
there must be some other reason for the differences. The error
messages caused by the deliberate mistake in the code for
the method for SBEGame (p.32) are different. Perhaps I made a subtle
typing error which
I have not been able to detect yet. I assume that squeak.exe has not
changed recently.

Regards

_John Sampson_


On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> If you want the exact image used to produce the book, you can get it from
> the http://SqueakByExample.org/ ?web site.
>
> http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/4624/SqueakByExample-1.3.zip
>
> Cheers,
> - on
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 15:54, John Sampson wrote:
>
>> Hello -
>>
>> I am a newcomer to Squeak and I am working through 'Squeak by Example'
>> using
>> the current download of Squeak for Windows (3.10). Should I be using
>> an earlier version
>> of Squeak, and if so how should I obtain it? I am not clear about
>> upgrades from version
>> to version, whether they are new versions of the .exe file or of the
>> basic image or both.
>>
>> The version I have seems to behave differently from the descriptions
>> in the book, which
>> confuses a newcomer like myself.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> _John Sampson_
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sbe-discussion mailing list
>> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sbe-discussion mailing list
> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>


From oscar at iam.unibe.ch  Tue Mar 17 09:17:31 2009
From: oscar at iam.unibe.ch (Oscar Nierstrasz)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:17:31 +0100
Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Newbie and versions
In-Reply-To: <932820840903161503k6acdc4f4vdc3bb0f786916281@mail.gmail.com>
References: <932820840903160754x4815e664wd0dd002a55e4048a@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF87E1DA-1EA2-4590-B3BD-C1CE743E0118@iam.unibe.ch>
	<932820840903161503k6acdc4f4vdc3bb0f786916281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <318CE10A-B6A5-49BF-B065-A6EF1B0C33B8@iam.unibe.ch>


Hi John,

Can you describe the discrepancy in detail?

Maybe there is a difference in the windows version, but I find it hard  
to believe.  More likely there is an error in the book, or as you  
said, your steps differed slightly from those in the book ...

Cheers,
- on

On Mar 16, 2009, at 23:03, John Sampson wrote:

> Thanks for the URL. It is the same one I downloaded previously so
> there must be some other reason for the differences. The error
> messages caused by the deliberate mistake in the code for
> the method for SBEGame (p.32) are different. Perhaps I made a subtle
> typing error which
> I have not been able to detect yet. I assume that squeak.exe has not
> changed recently.
>
> Regards
>
> _John Sampson_
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz  
> <oscar at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you want the exact image used to produce the book, you can get  
>> it from
>> the http://SqueakByExample.org/  web site.
>>
>> http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/4624/SqueakByExample-1.3.zip
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - on
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2009, at 15:54, John Sampson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello -
>>>
>>> I am a newcomer to Squeak and I am working through 'Squeak by  
>>> Example'
>>> using
>>> the current download of Squeak for Windows (3.10). Should I be using
>>> an earlier version
>>> of Squeak, and if so how should I obtain it? I am not clear about
>>> upgrades from version
>>> to version, whether they are new versions of the .exe file or of the
>>> basic image or both.
>>>
>>> The version I have seems to behave differently from the descriptions
>>> in the book, which
>>> confuses a newcomer like myself.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> _John Sampson_
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sbe-discussion mailing list
>>> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sbe-discussion mailing list
>> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sbe-discussion mailing list
> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>


From sampson.john7 at googlemail.com  Tue Mar 17 12:29:58 2009
From: sampson.john7 at googlemail.com (John Sampson)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:29:58 +0000
Subject: [sbe-discussion] Re: Newbie and versions
In-Reply-To: <318CE10A-B6A5-49BF-B065-A6EF1B0C33B8@iam.unibe.ch>
References: <932820840903160754x4815e664wd0dd002a55e4048a@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF87E1DA-1EA2-4590-B3BD-C1CE743E0118@iam.unibe.ch>
	<932820840903161503k6acdc4f4vdc3bb0f786916281@mail.gmail.com>
	<318CE10A-B6A5-49BF-B065-A6EF1B0C33B8@iam.unibe.ch>
Message-ID: <932820840903170429j462ac8a3ja9ae38289b6634c1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello -

I have repeated the steps for making the Quinto game. After asking
Squeak to accept the
initialize method for SBEGame, according to the book, a box should (?)
come up 'Unknown selector...' as shown in Fig 2.8, p.37. This does not
appear. The box 'Unknown variable...'
does appear but only shows 'declare temp', 'declare instance'  - not
'bounds' or 'color' as shown in Fig. 2.9. I moved the windows around
in case anything was hidden underneath but there was nothing. I notice
that n in the code appears in italic and underlined which I assume
means it is not recognized.

I will have to go now - I am saving the image as far as here.

Regards

_John_

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Can you describe the discrepancy in detail?
>
> Maybe there is a difference in the windows version, but I find it hard to
> believe. ?More likely there is an error in the book, or as you said, your
> steps differed slightly from those in the book ...
>
> Cheers,
> - on
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 23:03, John Sampson wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the URL. It is the same one I downloaded previously so
>> there must be some other reason for the differences. The error
>> messages caused by the deliberate mistake in the code for
>> the method for SBEGame (p.32) are different. Perhaps I made a subtle
>> typing error which
>> I have not been able to detect yet. I assume that squeak.exe has not
>> changed recently.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> _John Sampson_
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar at iam.unibe.ch>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> If you want the exact image used to produce the book, you can get it from
>>> the http://SqueakByExample.org/ ?web site.
>>>
>>> http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/4624/SqueakByExample-1.3.zip
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> - on
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2009, at 15:54, John Sampson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello -
>>>>
>>>> I am a newcomer to Squeak and I am working through 'Squeak by Example'
>>>> using
>>>> the current download of Squeak for Windows (3.10). Should I be using
>>>> an earlier version
>>>> of Squeak, and if so how should I obtain it? I am not clear about
>>>> upgrades from version
>>>> to version, whether they are new versions of the .exe file or of the
>>>> basic image or both.
>>>>
>>>> The version I have seems to behave differently from the descriptions
>>>> in the book, which
>>>> confuses a newcomer like myself.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> _John Sampson_
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sbe-discussion mailing list
>>>> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sbe-discussion mailing list
>>> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sbe-discussion mailing list
>> Sbe-discussion at iam.unibe.ch
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>>
>
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> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion
>